R.I.P. bestiary

Dank.


Rip!

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Nubatron написал:

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Kastmar написал:

Good decision. What happens with unique related to bestiary? Will they drop in standard?

No, they are attached to Bestiary mechanics that were not introduced. They specifically said "we have decided not to retain any element of the league in the core game for now." which leaves very little room for interpretation.

so my Craiceann's Carapace will go up in price. nice.

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Kastmar написал:

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Nubatron написал:

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Kastmar написал:

Good decision. What happens with unique related to bestiary? Will they drop in standard?

No, they are attached to Bestiary mechanics that were not introduced. They specifically said "we have decided not to retain any element of the league in the core game for now." which leaves very little room for interpretation.

so my Craiceann's Carapace will go up in price. nice.

Beastiary Uniques will simply migrate to Standard, where their built-in skills will continue to function as designed. While they won't drop anymore, they don't rely on Beastiary's mechanics and are just Uniques with special abilities, no different than numerous other league-specific legacy Uniques.

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RogueMage написал:

Beastiary Uniques will simply migrate to Standard, where their built-in skills will continue to function as designed. While they won't drop anymore, they don't rely on Beastiary's mechanics and are just Uniques with special abilities, no different than numerous other league-specific legacy Uniques.

He asked if they would drop in standard. They drop off something only obtainable through bestiary Mechanics.

So, much like Rigwalds uniques, they won’t drop.

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Slizzered написал:

I see a lot of people here bashing Bestiary when they were praising Harbinger which was by far the worst league as far as mechanics and technical issues go. Not that I expected different since these same people have also shown they do nothing but hero-worship streamers which is a giant neon sign denoting idiocy.

Harbinger brought easy leveling, easy access to maps, and some crafting options. The little monsters spawning was slow and clunky at first, then patched. In what way was that worse than nets, drop nerfs, super high rng, menagerie, and the 50 or so builds that broke the league mechanics? Harbinger and beast aren’t even comparable.

Didn't like it at first. Started up a couple weeks ago, been enjoying it. Am i sad to see it go? nah, I'm excited for the future.

I think implementing would have taken too much time and consideration, like Qarl posted. Streamlining as main game addition, thinking of future projects to minimize abuse crafting, streamling capturing, stashing, using beasts, regulate recipes for Bestiary being main game but not League anymore.

If Bestiary would go Main Game like Harb or Abyss (10% of maps), how would you adapt recipes etc etc.



I really liked how Bestiary made leveling easier (as soon as you actually paid attention to it and learned how to facilitate leveling) and gave endgame options and crafting possibilities.

But I also think retiring Bestiary to evaluate all my points made (and more), polish it and implement it in a "Bestiary 2.0" later on is a much better decision.

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鬼殺し написал:

GGG gave their reasons for dropping it in the dev manifesto and I was pleased to see they were all mechanical. My gripe was unusual and very much niche. Doesn't mean it was invalid but it really had nothing to do with larger decisions being made at GGG.

It's not as if I'd stop buying all the support packs just because I quit playing.

Problem is those reasons are garbage.

-The menagerie and bestiary are too much maintenance? GET RID OF THEM, NOT THE ENTIRE MECHANIC.

The entire damned menagerie and bestiary are 100% unnecessary for this league's content. We could simply throw the nets, and if the capture is successful Einhar turns them into a beast imprint that drops to the ground for us to pick up like any other item. Then we use the appropriate imprints at a new crafting bench to get our beastcrafting on. Zero need for some silly menagerie or any book of menus.

-Not welcoming to new players? That's just BS, there's many more mechs in this game that are foreign to new players, if anything bestiary is something a whole lot of new players could relate to from other games, since the whole monster-capture mechanic is far from new.

-Crafting would require constant rebalancing? You mean like master crafting, which has gotten a whopping 1 slight tweaking since it was introduced (that was just the flat armor/ev/es stuff)? There's really not much need for constant rebalancing, just a one-time rebalance before the mech goes core would have been sufficient for quite a while.



They're axing it for one reason and one reason only, the loudmouthed speed clear crowd didn't like it. Nevermind that it gave us some great new ways of crafting gear (even very high-end gear combined with master crafting), gave ssf and light-trade players a lot of new options to help them advance, and just generally provided a different angle of gameplay that was 100% avoidable if you didn't want to deal with it. That all goes down the drain because it didn't just hand you loads of loot and xp on a silver platter like the speed clear crowd wants and they threw a tantrum.


Were there still some problems with bestiary? Yeah.

-Red beasts are needlessly tankier than bosses and turned into giant clusterfuck encounters with their adds

-It could be hard to see how much health a beast had left when it was surrounded by other mobs (different colored life bars would fix that)

-Some of the bestiary mods are abnormally threatening while being hard to see coming (especially the phys damage ones... crushing claws, tiger prey, spectral swipe, etc)


Etc. But those are issues that are fixable. Trashing the entire league is not an appropriate solution.

If i knew it wasn't going to stay I wouldn't have bothered with it. Much wasted time on both sides.

Oh well, mistakes happen.