[3.10] Gryph's Volatile Dead Necromancer || Fun, Medium Budget, Tanky, Millions of DPS

I thought we can't get Cast while channeling staves anymore in 3.9 ? At least according to the manifesto. "Some modifiers no longer appear on Shaper or Elder items, like the "increased Physical Damage and Socketed Gems are Supported By" modifiers on Two Handed Weapons."

I could be totally wrong unless Cast while channeling is worded differently.

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b3nque написал:

I thought we can't get Cast while channeling staves anymore in 3.9 ? At least according to the manifesto. "Some modifiers no longer appear on Shaper or Elder items, like the "increased Physical Damage and Socketed Gems are Supported By" modifiers on Two Handed Weapons."

I could be totally wrong unless Cast while channeling is worded differently.

CWC doesn't have a spell damage roll attached to it. Only the HYBRID Spell Damage+Support Gem mods were removed. This means PCOC and Arcane Surge can no longer roll, but CWC and Cast on Melee Kill will remain.

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b3nque написал:

I thought we can't get Cast while channeling staves anymore in 3.9 ? At least according to the manifesto. "Some modifiers no longer appear on Shaper or Elder items, like the "increased Physical Damage and Socketed Gems are Supported By" modifiers on Two Handed Weapons."

I could be totally wrong unless Cast while channeling is worded differently.

* Hybrid Physical Damage and Support/Spell Damage and Support modifiers can no longer roll on two-handed weapons.

CwC is not a hybrid mod. It's just "Supported by cast while channeling."

Edit: Derp, already was answered. I'll just chime in to say love the guide. Going to use it as my league starter.

I just saw your 50c budget video and tried to mimic it. How did you get all those items only for 50c? Martyr is at least around 30c. Am I using the trade page wrong lol. Pretty sick build and I'd love to try!

I fear that it is not so great to use it as the league starter tho. Seems like some budget needs to be put in before you do some damage safely.

Since you said you used it as the starter, would you tell me how you progressed?

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Vheha написал:

I just saw your 50c budget video and tried to mimic it. How did you get all those items only for 50c? Martyr is at least around 30c. Am I using the trade page wrong lol. Pretty sick build and I'd love to try!

I fear that it is not so great to use it as the league starter tho. Seems like some budget needs to be put in before you do some damage safely.

Since you said you used it as the starter, would you tell me how you progressed?

At the time of posting that video I was able to get that gear for under 50c. I think the Martyr ran me like 9c or so at the time. Later in the league (and not in standard) items get a lot cheaper.

As for a starter, it's not ideal. Honestly it's probably BEST as a second character or respecc. BUT it's certainly doable and a lot of people have showed interest in it and I successfully did it last league as my starter. I added a bit on league starting in the guide since you posted, I would encourage you to go there post this:

In 3.8, I leveled as VD, got lucky with day 1 drops and bought the first Scold's on the market. I was fully planning to play the "classical" VD style into early maps if needed though. Ultimately I did a ton of experimenting where I went from Self casting VD with Scold's generating corpses (did all content with this) until I decided the mobility of Cyclone was worth more than damage that I didn't need. Thus landing on CWC.

I did eventually level a HC version of this build much later in the league and was able to put together a nice tanky version for very little cost. But that was much later in the league when there was a bit of an abundance of items in the market.

Anyways, rambling over. Hope you find something in all of that to be helpful.

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Orion19819 написал:

* Hybrid Physical Damage and Support/Spell Damage and Support modifiers can no longer roll on two-handed weapons.

CwC is not a hybrid mod. It's just "Supported by cast while channeling."

Edit: Derp, already was answered. I'll just chime in to say love the guide. Going to use it as my league starter.

I respond pretty fast when I'm online. Hahahaha.

That said: I added some stuff to the "League Starting as VD" section of the guide that I hope you all who ask about leveling tricks for this build will find useful. Mostly things I've already said in the comments. If I missed something, let me know.

Wow, thank you very much for a fast reply!

I will try this as my second character once I make some money with my starter.
This looks insanely fun + I recently upgraded my desktop so it should be fine xD

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Vheha написал:

Wow, thank you very much for a fast reply!

I will try this as my second character once I make some money with my starter.
This looks insanely fun + I recently upgraded my desktop so it should be fine xD

Thankfully it's not expensive to get going. Just getting the unique you need to make it tick is somewhat rare early on.

Upgraded desktop bout to get destroyed! XD

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Gryphenprey написал:

That said: I added some stuff to the "League Starting as VD" section of the guide that I hope you all who ask about leveling tricks for this build will find useful. Mostly things I've already said in the comments. If I missed something, let me know.

I saw that, very helpful! I was planning to do this build as a starter, then got scared off when I thought CwC mod was dead. Was debating a Storm Burst Trickster instead. Now it seems like CwC is safe. I did play some self-cast VD last league as Necro and it's not bad. Should not be too hard to deal with until I can grab a Scold's.

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Gryphenprey написал:

I would recommend faster casting on your desecrate. I started leveling one in ssf yesterday (to 17 only bc time constraints) and I had some of these issues. Casting desecrate is usually where I have problems like you mention. Faster casting support and keeping Arcane Surge buff up should help with this. It may also be correct to path through the faster cast rate nodes at the switch start to help make things smoother.

I do suggest leveling with whatever methods you prefer. The tree should generically be fine for most spells.

After first lab mana is a non-issue thankfully but I spam mana flasks on this a lot.

Basically do what you need to do to make the leveling best for you.

Everyone should try to get 2x BBG 3L wands in act 1 and use the vendor recipe for added fire damage to spells.

Blue wand + Ruby Ring(make at least blue) + Orb of Alteration.

VD has a 120% added damage effectiveness so any form of added damage is a significant boost to dps.

VD - Conc Effect - Combustion/Spell Cascade (decide for yourselves what you prefer)
Desecrate - spell Cascade - Faster Casting

Wave of Conviction can be used to apply exposure to tougher mobs.

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I tried some of these things and a few others. I got the self-cast leveling version to an ok state, definitely playable. First lab easily solved all mana issues. Found a few items, including 4-links, that solved damage issues. Still haven't been able to solve the survivability/stun problems though. A lot of that is probably just down to the self-cast VD/desecrate playstyle that has a relatively big delay before you actually start being able to do damage.

I'm hoping to be able to level with VD, but minions are looking a lot easier to me so depending on my item drops while leveling I may still just go with that roughly using your leveling trees and (with a few extra minion nodes sprinkled in) then just switch to VD when respeccing to the final tree.

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malarix1222 написал:

Hey, just wanted to let you know that I tried some of these things and a few others. I got the self-cast leveling version to an ok state, definitely playable. First lab easily solved all mana issues. Found a few items, including 4-links, that solved damage issues. Still haven't been able to solve the survivability/stun problems though. A lot of that is probably just down to the self-cast VD/desecrate playstyle that has a relatively big delay before you actually start being able to do damage.

I'm hoping to be able to level with VD, but minions are looking a lot easier to me so depending on my item drops while leveling I may still just go with that roughly using your leveling trees and (with a few extra minion nodes sprinkled in) then just switch to VD when respeccing to the final tree.

I am not very familiar with minions in general so I tend to stay away from them. I do tend to use SRS to get through Act 1 though as the single target damage is nice.

I also think pathing through the cast speed nodes instead of the spell damage nodes would help make everything feel smoother. Possibly pick up the Mental Rapidity cluster as well (next to EO).

I find myself using Wave of Conviction to clear dense packs of mobs as I'm running through zones. Like, cast desecrate (for mana regen) Wave itself usually 1-shots everything anyways. Drop a couple VDs to clean up remains and stuff that is off screen etc...because yeah, that delay is brutal. Though with a 4L and adding spell cascade to VD it feels pretty good.

Oh also, Flamethrower Trap is a huge single target dps boost. 100% recommend grabbing it in act 3.

Edit: yeah on the note of cast speed nodes. I highly recommend grabbing Dark Arts and mental rapidity. makes the desecrate+VD casting very smooth and feels great. Flamethrower trap also benefits a lot from cast speed for single target.

Adding a leveling tree that should make leveling smoother, but requires a bigger investment in respeccing to Crit later on.

https://pastebin.com/KAE4pUfQ

With this progression you would need 26 Refund Points at level 82. You can, of course, do this sooner and in smaller increments. I will be following this progression.