New Western Boss Zero Drop Rate

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lososthefish написал:

Or make him teleport at half life, as Piety in crematorium, problem solved. He can even assist Piety in the crematorium and die there, dropping something.

Best solution yet.

Also, why do the minions share the zero drop rate? Players can easily farm white monsters anywhere.

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Charan написал:

Sorry for the confusion there, KoTao. I moved it from bug reports because it's not a bug and figured an existing thread renders this one a duplicate. Since Wittgenstein, in his infinite wisdom, unlocked this one, I'll go ahead and lock the other one.

:)

All good! Ive added the dev quote to the OP.

I think this sets a very unpleasant precedent.
every monster you kill in an ARPG/MMO/whatever should have some chance to drop some kind of loot.
and bosses/uniques should drop extra-quality/extra-quantity loot when killed.

you can get no loot only if you did not kill the boss, as in Lososthefish's example with Piety in the Crematorium. but in this case you'll need to fight the same boss or a more powerful version later (again, Piety) to get the loot you deserve.
this despite the fact, some games choose to reward you for completing a "phase" of a boss-fight as well as the whole fight.

and GGG's reasoning behind this, claiming the Passive Point is enough? that would make sense only if there were no other bosses who grant both loot and a Point. like Depth Dweller.

I will not rage about this, because GGG are Beta-testing a new concept and waiting for player feedback - but I do think that feedback should make it clear, that the Path Of Exile community will not accept such a concept.
because a Pandora's box of terrible, frustrating, unrewarding design would be opened if we do.
there are too many vastly under-rewarding mechanics in the game already.

I would prefer if they made him SUUUUUUPER HAAAAARD and dropped increased goodies. Than to leave him normal and drop nothing. That's just lame.

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Undon3 написал:

What, you want to farm the boss? Shame on you! You want to make the game easy and exploit boss drops to get gear. Off to the grind with you, normal mobs are too good for offenders such as yourselves.
Anyway, if the boss would have drops, you will farm it, get good gear in the end, and what do you know, you'll get bored. GGG knows better...

Silly me for not believing a low level (comparably) boss will drop oodles and oodles of endgame gear. I can't believe GGG didn't put in an ilvl mechanic or whatever to make sure that your drops early in the game aren't ridiculously overpowered!

Why not put the general or the unique from battlefront there, and like Lososthefish suggested, when on low life he teleports out.

Orrrrr just make it a farmable unique. It's not like you can get top tier uniques or many end game rares from him. While I haven't faced the new unique version, the normal white one that was there before wasn't fun, I can't imagine this unique is easy.

With alch and chaos recipes nerfed so heavily there's not really as big of an issue with an easy to farm unique as their was in CB. Hell my month of farming gneiss was basically only returned alchs from matching which I could trade 36 for an exalt. Now it's like 72:1 and matching requires 3 matching names. It's not profitable unless you plan to use all the alchs, at which point you'd want to head to maps anyways.

Basically, who cares about him being easy to farm. Doubt many people will be able to get rich off him.

Logic, failage...

"You'll farm it and thus end up getting gear off it (once in a blue moon if you're a die hard farmer of him)"

Thus, they don't give him a loot roll.

Really am sick of this amateur hour development decision making. This game IS a farm fest, it's not even a cleverly disguised one xD but it's a farm fest with a lack of farms... you do realize that's the height of redundancy?

PoE:
Trying to be something, while admitting nothing. and ending up with anything but what they should be getting.

Moosifer once again sums the fact it's an overreaction to potential farming, it's this silly attitude and direction that likens to

"Here is our game, we hope you enjoy it, but we'll be doing EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER to make sure that we protect it from you and it will always beat you no matter if we have to stack the odds so stupidly in your favor, that it's no longer worth your time playing"

As I said on page one.

Wow, lots of misguided entitlement on this thread. The large rare chest nearby is missing too. BUG QQ. Class action lawsuit! :P

And there are plenty of minibosses to farm for loot. Its not like different bosses have better chances to drop specific unique loots; and these sub-minibosses don't lootsplode like Vaal/Brutus.

Hes practically a reskin of the crossroads melee miniboss. I's rather farm him instead, as he's always located on the hill in between the WP and the Chamber of Sins entrance. As oppose to this boss's randomized location, in a huge map where you can easily get lost in.

Addit: thinking about this further, some usual drops would be good. See Core Dweller, where you get drops and a passive point. And you can farm it if you desire. Reading Neon's reply, ah well

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Wittgenstein написал:

A GGG statement of why there is a mechanic, or why something behaves a certain way, doesn't mean players cannot criticize that choice.

What do you mean? Gods are gods and infallible. GGG knows best for their game :)

And Moose... man... the general? Teleporting on defeat? Somebody knows how RPGs should work, it seems.

@the others: shame on you again for wanting gear. You are utterly disappointing. I cannot believe this is happening. You're an exile, be happy you got off the ship alive. You're privileged to run buttneked in Wraeclast, stop being entitled now ;) or I'll write the "silver plater" sentence in my next post...

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THEHORNEDRAT написал:

As I said on page one.
Wow, lots of misguided entitlement on this thread. The large rare chest nearby is missing too. BUG QQ. Class action lawsuit! :P

And there are plenty of minibosses to farm for loot. Its not like different bosses have better chances to drop specific unique loots; and these sub-minibosses don't lootsplode like Vaal/Brutus.

Hes practically a reskin of the crossroads melee miniboss. I's rather farm him instead, as he's always located on the hill in between the WP and the Chamber of Sins entrance. As oppose to this boss's randomized location, in a huge map where you can easily get lost in.

Addit: thinking about this further, some usual drops would be good. See Core Dweller, where you get drops and a passive point. And you can farm it if you desire. Reading Neon's reply, ah well

first off, congratulations - this post is a level above your usual trolling.
maybe there is still hope for you after all? :)

second, the problem I (and I guess the OP) have with this isn't "oh noes! I killed this boss and got no loot!". it's the whole concept of a mob designed to drop no loot.
in a game of this sort, every mob should have some chance to drop something. and a boss usually has a greater chance to drop something better.

you can't violate this extremely basic concept, and continue to call your game an ARPG.
that's how bad this change really is.

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Undon3 написал:

@the others: shame on you again for wanting gear. You are utterly disappointing. I cannot believe this is happening. You're an exile, be happy you got off the ship alive. You're privileged to run buttneked in Wraeclast, stop being entitled now ;) or I'll write the "silver plater" sentence in my next post...

and I am indeed honored.
honored to be past Merciless and still running around with no pants on :)
take a look at the armor appearance thread.
you can be #1 in the ladder with godly gear, farming impossible-modded level 70+ maps just for fun - and still look like a homeless bum with a big stick...