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stored? its not a storage tab. its a sale tab.
why would you be allowed to store, in a sale tab? its meant to sell, not store.
even so... technically, you can.... store it... put it up for a price no one will buy it. and bam. its stored.
this isnt an arguement. its a slaughter. and you havent even realized it yet.
i said you dont know what you are talking about. and its true. and you are just proving me right, post after post.
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СообщениеInnuendos#509516 сент. 2025 г., 12:45:01
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stored? its not a storage tab. its a sale tab.
why would you be allowed to store, in a sale tab? its meant to sell, not store.
even so... technically, you can.... store it... put it up for a price no one will buy it. and bam. its stored.
this isnt an arguement. its a slaughter. and you havent even realized it yet.
i said you dont know what you are talking about. and its true. and you are just proving me right, post after post.
I know it's not a storage tab, which is why I don't see it as an upgrade, but as a conversion, which is what I have been arguing about from the start, which you would know if you followed the tip and read the thread.
There is a bunch of stuff you can not store any more that you could before. Even more of an argument to why it's not an upgrade, but a conversion.
What is your goal here exactly? You're telling me I don't know what I'm talking about over and over while arguing points I'm not even arguing about to begin with.
If I have to spell it out for you what I am arguing about:
Losing content you have paid for while it is being labled as being and upgrade.
That is it.
Now you maybe like when companies joink money from you for no good reason what so ever, and that's fine, but I'm not.
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СообщениеDevourerAdol#449016 сент. 2025 г., 13:03:40
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stored? its not a storage tab. its a sale tab.
why would you be allowed to store, in a sale tab? its meant to sell, not store.
even so... technically, you can.... store it... put it up for a price no one will buy it. and bam. its stored.
this isnt an arguement. its a slaughter. and you havent even realized it yet.
i said you dont know what you are talking about. and its true. and you are just proving me right, post after post.
I know it's not a storage tab, which is why I don't see it as an upgrade, but as a conversion, which is what I have been arguing about from the start, which you would know if you followed the tip and read the thread.
There is a bunch of stuff you can not store any more that you could before. Even more of an argument to why it's not an upgrade, but a conversion.
What is your goal here exactly? You're telling me I don't know what I'm talking about over and over while arguing points I'm not even arguing about to begin with.
If I have to spell it out for you what I am arguing about:
Losing content you have paid for while it is being labled as being and upgrade.
That is it.
Now you maybe like when companies joink money from you for no good reason what so ever, and that's fine, but I'm not.
you see it as a conversion because that is what it was.
you converted a premium tab into a merchant tab...
your asking me my goal.. i wanna know yours.
you understood it was a conversion.
you willingly have to convert it.
you are not scammed in anyway.
you do not lose any functions in anyway.
you are not losing content you paid for.... you are converting something you paid for, into something else you have to pay for.
they didnt yoink money from you. they gave you an option to change money spent into something else. OR TO JUST BUY IT SEPERATELY.
you are wrong in every possible way.... and have nothing to stand on.
what is your goal again?...
mine.. is pretty clear. clean up your misinformation, wrong statements, and take your 'i am superior thinking ego' down a peg.. or two.. or 7.
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СообщениеInnuendos#509516 сент. 2025 г., 13:22:16
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stored? its not a storage tab. its a sale tab.
why would you be allowed to store, in a sale tab? its meant to sell, not store.
even so... technically, you can.... store it... put it up for a price no one will buy it. and bam. its stored.
this isnt an arguement. its a slaughter. and you havent even realized it yet.
i said you dont know what you are talking about. and its true. and you are just proving me right, post after post.
I know it's not a storage tab, which is why I don't see it as an upgrade, but as a conversion, which is what I have been arguing about from the start, which you would know if you followed the tip and read the thread.
There is a bunch of stuff you can not store any more that you could before. Even more of an argument to why it's not an upgrade, but a conversion.
What is your goal here exactly? You're telling me I don't know what I'm talking about over and over while arguing points I'm not even arguing about to begin with.
If I have to spell it out for you what I am arguing about:
Losing content you have paid for while it is being labled as being and upgrade.
That is it.
Now you maybe like when companies joink money from you for no good reason what so ever, and that's fine, but I'm not.
you see it as a conversion because that is what it was.
you converted a premium tab into a merchant tab...
your asking me my goal.. i wanna know yours.
you understood it was a conversion.
you willingly have to convert it.
you are not scammed in anyway.
you do not lose any functions in anyway.
you are not losing content you paid for.... you are converting something you paid for, into something else you have to pay for.
they didnt yoink money from you. they gave you an option to change money spent into something else. OR TO JUST BUY IT SEPERATELY.
you are wrong in every possible way.... and have nothing to stand on.
what is your goal again?...
mine.. is pretty clear. clean up your misinformation, wrong statements, and take your 'i am superior thinking ego' down a peg.. or two.. or 7.
You're misenterpreting everything or just trolling at this point.
I see it as a conversion yes, this is true. NOT AN UPGRADE.
Let me google it for you.
Definitions:
Upgrade - raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.
Conversion - the process of changing or causing something to change from one form to another.
I am losing content I paid for.
How am what I saying misinformation? You just said yourself it's a conversion, which is clearly not an upgrade, going by definition.
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СообщениеDevourerAdol#449016 сент. 2025 г., 13:33:51
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premium tabs can sell things
merchant tabs can sell things.
you are not losing any functionlity. both tabs SELL and can STORE if used in a way that no one would spend what your listing at.
and if you think are, losing functionality. i suggest you go back on google, and start looking up more definitions.
the term upgrade, links up with the ability to sell things while offline for the merchant tab.
it is objectively, an upgrade over the premium tabs selling ability, that does not allow this behavior.
seriously...
when i said down a peg two or 7. its gunna be about 12 pegs down, at this point.
your losing bad bro.
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СообщениеInnuendos#509516 сент. 2025 г., 13:37:42
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premium tabs can sell things
merchant tabs can sell things.
you are not losing any functionlity. both tabs SELL and can STORE if used in a way that no one would spend what your listing at.
and if you think are, losing functionality. i suggest you go back on google, and start looking up more definitions.
the term upgrade, links up with the ability to sell things while offline for the merchant tab.
it is objectively, an upgrade over the premium tabs selling ability, that does not allow this behavior.
seriously...
when i said down a peg two or 7. its gunna be about 12 pegs down, at this point.
your losing bad bro.
That is true. They are however fundamentally different tabs.
You are losing functionality.
Just because you're narrowing down the scope of an upgrade to one aspect of the functionality of it doesn't mean it's an upgrade.
It means it's a conversion.
You're the only one caring about winning or losing here.
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СообщениеDevourerAdol#449016 сент. 2025 г., 13:48:01
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premium tabs can sell things
merchant tabs can sell things.
you are not losing any functionlity. both tabs SELL and can STORE if used in a way that no one would spend what your listing at.
and if you think are, losing functionality. i suggest you go back on google, and start looking up more definitions.
the term upgrade, links up with the ability to sell things while offline for the merchant tab.
it is objectively, an upgrade over the premium tabs selling ability, that does not allow this behavior.
seriously...
when i said down a peg two or 7. its gunna be about 12 pegs down, at this point.
your losing bad bro.
That is true. They are however fundamentally different tabs.
You are losing functionality.
Just because you're narrowing down the scope of an upgrade to one aspect of the functionality of it doesn't mean it's an upgrade.
It means it's a conversion.
You're the only one caring about winning or losing here.
explain to me... how i am losing functionality...
i have a premium tab that i was using to sell stuff.
it is now converted into a merchant tab. to sell stuff.
where is the loss in functionality?
in fact. i am gaining more functionality, as it sells automatically for me while i am offline.
do you think before you type?
if you wanted your premium tab to stay as it was. cuz you want to store shit in there. and sell some stuff in there. idc w/e you do you
then dont convert it.
its that simple dude.
me and the vast majority of players, who bought premium stashes, to sell things. which was its purpose in the game... regardless of how you FEEL...
will continue to enjoy what we waited for for years in automated trading.
you can suffer in your feelings for all we care. its the best change to either poe1 or poe2, in the games history. (i guess currency exchange is right up there tho, but the ability to list things, and log on the next day, week, month... and have things sold ready for me to pick up currency, is slightly more win imo as its currency i would have never gotten OTHERWISE.)
Последняя редакция: Innuendos#5095. Время: 16 сент. 2025 г., 14:11:32
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СообщениеInnuendos#509516 сент. 2025 г., 13:50:45
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How am what I saying misinformation? You just said yourself it's a conversion, which is clearly not an upgrade, going by definition.
Yeah so this isn't actually how words work. Things can be more than one thing. Nothing in the definitions of "upgrade" and "convert" suggest they are mutually exclusive. If I convert something and in the process it becomes more useful or valuable to me, then I have also upgraded it.
Personally, I had far more Premium Tabs then I needed for storage, so converting a few to Market Tabs was absolutely an upgrade. If the Premium Tab you converted was more valuable to you than the Market Tab then sure, it wasn't an upgrade for you. Setting aside the obvious question of why you would convert the tab if you didn't personally consider it an upgrade, it's irrelevant because the tabs cost the same amount. You can just buy another Premium Tab and you will be in the same position as if you had never converted.
And anyone suggesting they "could have just" implemented the market features on top of the existing storage infrastructure will necessarily be someone who has never written a line of code in their lives let alone contributed to a significant project. The Market Tabs are fundamentally different entities with all sorts of additional triggers and logic attached. It would have been far more complicated from both a user interface and a backend logic and data management perspective. Creating a separate, unique tab to encapsulate these features is a no-brainer.
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СообщениеKerchunk#779716 сент. 2025 г., 14:17:50
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premium tabs can sell things
merchant tabs can sell things.
you are not losing any functionlity. both tabs SELL and can STORE if used in a way that no one would spend what your listing at.
and if you think are, losing functionality. i suggest you go back on google, and start looking up more definitions.
the term upgrade, links up with the ability to sell things while offline for the merchant tab.
it is objectively, an upgrade over the premium tabs selling ability, that does not allow this behavior.
seriously...
when i said down a peg two or 7. its gunna be about 12 pegs down, at this point.
your losing bad bro.
That is true. They are however fundamentally different tabs.
You are losing functionality.
Just because you're narrowing down the scope of an upgrade to one aspect of the functionality of it doesn't mean it's an upgrade.
It means it's a conversion.
You're the only one caring about winning or losing here.
explain to me... how i am losing functionality...
i have a premium tab that i was using to sell stuff.
it is now converted into a merchant tab. to sell stuff.
where is the loss in functionality?
in fact. i am gaining more functionality, as it sells automatically for me while i am offline.
do you think before you type?
if you wanted your premium tab to stay as it was. cuz you want to store shit in there. and sell some stuff in there. idc w/e you do you
then dont convert it.
its that simple dude.
me and the vast majority of players, who bought premium stashes, to sell things. which was its purpose in the game... regardless of how you FEEL...
will continue to enjoy what we waited for for years in automated trading.
you can suffer in your feelings for all we care. its the best change to either poe1 or poe2, in the games history. (i guess currency exchange is right up there tho, but the ability to list things, and log on the next day, week, month... and have things sold ready for me to pick up currency, is slightly more win imo as its currency i would have never gotten OTHERWISE.)
I have already given you examples of lost functionality.
You using something one way doesn't mean others are using it that way.
I am not saying you're not gaining functionality, that's a given. What I am saying is you're losing functionality, and there was no information of that.
I would do that if I could, yes, but I can't, which is why I made the thread.
You're the one bringing in feelings to this.
And again, I am also enjoying the merchant tabs, I think they are great and as you say, probably one of the best additions to the game in a long time. That's not what I'm arguaing about however.
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СообщениеDevourerAdol#449016 сент. 2025 г., 14:53:52
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How am what I saying misinformation? You just said yourself it's a conversion, which is clearly not an upgrade, going by definition.
Yeah so this isn't actually how words work. Things can be more than one thing. Nothing in the definitions of "upgrade" and "convert" suggest they are mutually exclusive. If I convert something and in the process it becomes more useful or valuable to me, then I have also upgraded it.
Personally, I had far more Premium Tabs then I needed for storage, so converting a few to Market Tabs was absolutely an upgrade. If the Premium Tab you converted was more valuable to you than the Market Tab then sure, it wasn't an upgrade for you. Setting aside the obvious question of why you would convert the tab if you didn't personally consider it an upgrade, it's irrelevant because the tabs cost the same amount. You can just buy another Premium Tab and you will be in the same position as if you had never converted.
And anyone suggesting they "could have just" implemented the market features on top of the existing storage infrastructure will necessarily be someone who has never written a line of code in their lives let alone contributed to a significant project. The Market Tabs are fundamentally different entities with all sorts of additional triggers and logic attached. It would have been far more complicated from both a user interface and a backend logic and data management perspective. Creating a separate, unique tab to encapsulate these features is a no-brainer.
First of you're absolutely right, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, an upgrade is a type of conversion, but not all types of conversions can be an upgrade, in my opinion. Which I argue is the case here.
There's base functionality that is lost.
Going by an iterative approach the premium stash tab is an upgrade of the original stash tab that is purely used for storage.
That's an upgrade. It takes the base and adds to it.
so v1 > v2.
My argument is that premium stash tabs are as much about storage as they are about selling and so I do not view it as an iterative upgrade when converting it to a merchant tab.
In the iterative process the merchant tab would've then been v3.
I think it is its own tab entirely and shouldn't have been labeled as an upgrade in any way, even though it's got its obvious advantages.
Secondly while you are correct that it does reduce scope and even make sense to limit the functionality of the merchant tab from a developing/managerial point of view, which I even agree is probably a good thing, the problem for me is when you try to push it as an upgrade.
It indicates continuation of something, which it isn't I would argue.
Good input :)
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СообщениеDevourerAdol#449016 сент. 2025 г., 15:05:43
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