Druid ascedancies have 0 synergy with shapeshifting and wolves

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komji#3796 написал:

I already cooked up an invoker werewolf and acolyte of chayula werewolf builds that will 1000% do more damage than anything they release lol.

Druid NEEDS A VERY SPECIALIZED SHAPESHIFTING ASCENDENCY otherwise youll see build after build outpace the druid at what is literally supposed to be its core strength.

That is correct, we were baited into thinking we were getting a shapeshift druid because that is what they have been showing us and they launched 2 spellcasting ascendancies. Then pretend like they fulfilled some grand promise of the druid.

Of course if they had better info to give us they could just release it instead of waiting until release.

I don't understand for the life of me why they're releasing dumpster fire trash information and making people wait until they release the download files to let us know what they have actually done.

Also don't act like "they're still working on it" druid was in a working form YEARS ago. They arent building it from scratch. You're telling me where days away and they still dont know what this is going to look like?

That effectively means if they dont have all the nodes fleshed out until they send the patch live then there will be no testing.

They should have had druid done a month ago to allow people to properly test it. It cannot still be in progress. its been delayed over and over and over. dont fall for that line.

P.S. im not directing any negativity to the post i quoted, just adding to the frustration.

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Mashgesture#2912 написал:

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Foeten5639#8632 написал:

So why is blood mage the only ascendancy or class that can change to demon form?

Poor comparison.


Demon form is not blood mage either. Its infernalist



The transformation only gives you additive buff of base damage. No unique abilities or skills.



Talismans do.

Yeah it is infernalist still the point stands if shapeshifting is not a specific druid thing then no transformations should not be locked in ascendancies. And personally im not a fan of the transformations only having specific skills I would have rather them design skills that used in human form does one thing but depending on animal form your in it changes the skill in some way to be more on theme. Not all the skills but 5 are locked into shapeshifting and the supports are the only way to make the skills feel any different then the generic skill they gave us. Also they said they want each character to feel unique in the ascendancies in one way or another but yet you take the one thing unique to druid and give it to every class? Make it make sense man. It almost like they didn't know what to do with the class bc we got a male sorcerer class with druid being a weapon set

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Foeten5639#8632 написал:

So why is blood mage the only ascendancy or class that can change to demon form?

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Mashgesture#2912 написал:

Poor comparison.


Demon form is not blood mage either. Its infernalist



The transformation only gives you additive buff of base damage. No unique abilities or skills.



Talismans do.

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Foeten5639#8632 написал:

Also they said they want each character to feel unique in the ascendancies in one way or another but yet you take the one thing unique to druid

Talisman isnt unique to druid.

Just as a crossbow isnt unique to a merc.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't get some shapeshifting flavor on the ascendancy like warbringer and one of the mercs have for totems.

I think people against the idea because of the lore.

Plus when you make an ascendacy, it should fit for the signature weapon at least. It may fit for Bear but it does feel bad for werewolf and dragon.

Kinda weird to look for other options in the meantime people try to cook different builds with druid's ascendacies such as rage skeletal minions which is really opposite of the character's theme.

It all comes down to lore. It's not the same as Ranger being able to use spear or crossbow, or Amazon being able to use mace and shield or bow or crossbow it doesn't feel off in terms of lore and theme.

I think they had to give forms to everyone because shapeshifting skills are already barebones, you can't use much with them. Skills are very limited for one form. So by locking this into druid only as well would make it very limited option for shapeshifting builds. I guess they didn't want to do that, they like the idea of variety.

+1 not Shapeshifting Ascen will be bad.

the class/ascendancies are completely different things than the weapon/shapeshifting.

also, the statement "Druid ascedancies have 0 synergy with shapeshifting and wolves" is blatant misinformation.

anyone with a brain can look at either one and see bonuses to rage, ele damage, passive points that will provide further bonuses to your shapeshifts ect.

you are mad that they dont have mega specific, shapeshift only nodes as if druid is hard locked to doing shapeshift builds (it isnt).

the level of confident ignorance here is truly impressive.

In the last interview he explained that they dont want ascendancy to be tie to one weapon type, allowing you to use different weapons on your choosen class/ascendancy.

Just like, as one exemple, invoker doesnt have "more elemental damage with quarterstaff" but only more elemental damages. Allowing you to play an invoker with any elemental skills in the game.

I think that is the philosophy they're following.

He said they might consider adding a little something on the third ascendancy.

What make this game great imho is that you can use any weapon on any class/ascendancy.

Mechanics-wise. Transformations are just glorified weapon swaps. Sure they "are cool" but mechanically speaking how different is it really from switching from a mace and shield to a Bow? Many gem abilities are weapon-specific. So at the end the Druid transformation is just a collection of spells that are specific to weapons called "talismans".

They don't want to tie Ascendancies to a weapon type.

It's as simple as that.

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vexorian#9572 написал:

Mechanics-wise. Transformations are just glorified weapon swaps. Sure they "are cool" but mechanically speaking how different is it really from switching from a mace and shield to a Bow? Many gem abilities are weapon-specific. So at the end the Druid transformation is just a collection of spells that are specific to weapons called "talismans".

They don't want to tie Ascendancies to a weapon type.

It's as simple as that.

Why does merc and warbringer have totem support on an ascendancy?

Why does warbringer have block/shield support on an ascendancy?

These 2 dont even thematically have any reason to be like that.

Druids in anyones experience in any video game ever are tied to shapeshifting characters. Yet they have no support outside of generic support.

The problem with generic support is it will just be used for other things because the shapeshifting will be melee and underpowered unless used in tandem with spells.

Then ggg will be unable to give shapeshifting cool things just like they way they cant give swords trauma support in poe1 because voidforge and paradoxica exist.

They are hamstringing themselves and the people that want to play druid by giving the ascendancy generic spell powers.

Who knows, maybe they can get the balance good enough where shapeshifting makes sense. but its just as likely that people will just find a 1 button cast on xx skill to use and it will be faster, stronger, and easier to play. Path of least resistance is almost always the preferred way to play a game you kill multiple millions of monsters in a couple months time.