Why are people calling PoE P2W with the incoming Challenges?

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Daxiom_12 написал:

Seriously guys READ IT ... SPECIFIC SET which they have not released yet they don't expect you to get 90 uniques in 4 months they want a set of them which they have no released yet.

If im wrong about this feel free to come back and flame the hell outta me or do it now either way is fine but I can pretty much guarantee there not wanting 90 Unique Items theres information you simply don't have yet.

I believe they were saying a specific set of 90 becasue there are currently way more than 90 in this game. Before they add the 6 new uniques I think the total count is 144. By saying a specific set of 90, they are just not including the other 50+ that exist.

In the arguments about this, you have many character slots, all of which can hold quite a few items, 20 or more if you do it right and leave the 2x4's in your stash. I already have a decent collection of uniques as I try to keep 1 of every item as it is, and I currently have in 1 stash tab (pauses to check my stash screen,) 34 uniques. There is a mix of 1x1, 2x2 3x2 and 4x2 in there, with only 1 1x2 belt. Based on my random info, I could conclude that it would take 3-4 stash tabs total to hold a random set of 90 uniques, or 7-9 characters holding things in their inventory, or a mix thereof.

Stash Tabs have always been the only thing I've spent money on in this game, aside from left over coinage for small things, and I try to spend $15 a month here like I did for similar games netting me 6 new tabs a month. Having said that, it's absolutely not needed to buy anything to complete that challenge.

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For those of you asking "what if I have all 24 characters full," assuming you are being truthful here, you could simply trade between these characters to ensure that credit goes to your main account by sapping the items out in 7-9 trades. You're allowed to load up 2 accounts at the same time, and doing so in town is quite easy on your computers. You only need to hold them at the end of the 4 months, so you could do it 1 day before.

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johnKeys написал:

I have no idea who is calling Path Of Exile "Pay to Win", but I can see one specific challenge with a huge potential to meet this description: "find and use all currency".

how long has it been since Open Beta started? 5 months?
I've been playing the whole time, and I have no idea how an Exalted Orb looks like. Mirror? yeah, right.

orbs are RNG, RNG is luck, and my luck sucks.
1 of the 8 challenges on your way to a T-shirt, based on luck instead of skill? bad move GGG.

my reaction to this is "f**k it, so I won't get a T-shirt".
other players' reaction to this, is *opens RMT site* ---> challenge completed.

Read the damn notes. A mirror is not included in the challenge!!!!

I'm sorry but if you can't manage to use one of each currency in 4 months then you are a total fail. The only one that might be a struggle to get is the eternal and the exalted but we are talking 4 months in an economy that is brand new. You trade for them with other currency and you use them. It's so easy I can't even understand the retarded conversation that is going on here.

Additionally how anyone has managed to stretch the pay to win criticism to friggin' stash tabs in a contest where you win a damn shirt is beyond stupid.

This thread is an abomination.

Also enough with the people saying they have never seen an exalted orb. You never ever traded for one? Really? Even when they were 12 chaos orbs you never traded for one? gtfo

Also for total derps there are new party loot options so you make groups where the loot is bound to you and you will get an exalted no worries. I will just trade for one like most people do.

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Zhatan написал:

And how will you be able to hold the items for completing the challange then?

You can store 18 2x4 items in a stash page. That makes 90 items for 5 pages at the worst case scenario.

Store unique items in another account.

Open 2 clients.

Trade yourself.

Troublesome but it works if you do not want to pay. This process just takes a few minutes. Assuming if it takes 30 seconds to trade 6 items, it will only take 15 minutes at the most. However I am pretty sure you can be innovative enough to improve this method. I have faith in you.

Then there is the "issue" of the "pick all notable nodes" challenge, where you'll need a lot of character slots to complete it.

It's like someone above said: the game is not p2w, but the t-shirt is :)

I guess anyone that is planing to play PoE for that long (it takes to finish the challenges), should at least be morally obligated to throw in 20 bucks. Dont tell me you are all broke.

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morbo написал:

Then there is the "issue" of the "pick all notable nodes" challenge, where you'll need a lot of character slots to complete it.

It's like someone above said: the game is not p2w, but the t-shirt is :)

I guess anyone that is planing to play PoE for that long (it takes to finish the challenges), should at least be morally obligated to throw in 20 bucks. Dont tell me you are all broke.

In fairness there are only 35 Notable Passives (if you only need 1 of each type, I'm unsure of this.) and 20 Keystone Passives on the board. A single character can easily take the entire outside of the board to get most of what is there if not all of it, and a second can get everything around the middle. I'm guessing that with 3-4 characters you could easily hit them all, though I haven't calculated that yet. Of course you'd be leveling characters just to achieve this, but That's the same thing as leveling each character to 60 anyway. You could likely plan it with just the 6 60's to grab them all, but I'm too lazy to check at the moment. If anyone does some math, let me know :)

Edit: Checking some quick math with it, will edit in here anything I see quickly.

A single level 58 character can hit the entire outside of the board and get every Keystone passive there. I only tested this with the templar. (16/20 Keystones hit) By level 72 you can hit all 20 Keystones on one character.

I originally said 35 Notables, if you need to get the ones that have multiples, it raises the number exponentially, likely to over 150.

From the templar, spending 100 points would can net you 39 Notables. This would obviously be better executed on 2 level 45-ish characters. I think it's too hard to estimate, because you'd have to see which ones your characters are missing, and make a few characters to play fill in. I'm going to guess you'd likely need 1 of each character played normally, and then 1 of each leveled until 50 or so to get most of them. It could actually be more though. But with 24 characters, 12 played normally, and 12 to get the achievement it'd be cake (especially while taking advantage of the free respec.

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johnKeys написал:

I'm going to be honest: my absolutely terrible luck changed recently, but not quite.
despite never seeing what an Exalted Orb looks like - today I got a Le Heup ring which is worth one if sold.
I also have several rares in stash, worth a few more I imagine.

but I feel it wasn't a reward for my skill. I got it in a map run with a friend. it dropped for him, thanks to his Magic Find. and he let me have it.
I would never get a good drop playing solo, self-found, no trade.
never. my luck is that bad.
and the good rares dropped thanks to other people too.

and I think I'm not too bad skill-wise, playing for 30 years.
played every RPG and ARPG you can imagine. learning everything with common sense and trial and error. enjoying the journey rather than just the destination.
getting to where I am in this game with my main custom-built melee Marauder.
building a custom HC caster I really enjoy playing.

I won't argue about P2W or not P2W any more.
it just seems like this planned achievement - "find all orbs" - isn't a test of skill.
people who would buy the orbs with real money, get them with dumb luck from an Act 1 Normal rare, or ninja them from someone, exploiting his/her luck? they won't have a problem with it.
didn't "earn" it? so what? "challenge" completed, right? that's all that really matters, right?
not to me.

I completely agree with you. I'm planning a self found, solo, no trade, no electricity play through and I'll doubt I'll get the challenges complete.

Sure, it's the stupid self imposed restrictions I put on myself that makes it impossible but I think I will blame GGG for making POE P2W.

Free Boardgame version of POE or POE is P2W.

@Dellusions

I think that notable is every mid-sized node, there's a truckload of them. GGG mentioned something that in 0.11 each notable will be distinct from every else, eg. will have it's own name. See here

Also if you dont have a party that will carry you, you cant create such degenerate builds (like going around and picking just keystones and atributes) and be able to fight content properly. If you do a proper build, you cant pick up everything that you encounter along the way (onehanded, twohanded, dualwield, swords, axes...). You would need several chars, more then 10 imo, as the builds would share several of the nodes (eg. you must pick life or defenses with each build).

IMO this challlenge is the most tough (well, time consuming) of them all, and will require a lot of planing, leveling alts & character slots. Though it might be possible to complete the challenges without buying additional slots & tabs, but this would be kinda silly (sharing accounts & stuff like that).

It will be interesting to see how will players achieve this challenge.

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morbo написал:

@Dellusions

I think that notable is every mid-sized node, there's a truckload of them. GGG mentioned something that in 0.11 each notable will be distinct from every else, eg. will have it's own name. See here

Also if you dont have a party that will carry you, you cant create such degenerate builds (like going around and picking just keystones and atributes) and be able to fight content properly. If you do a proper build, you cant pick up everything that you encounter along the way (onehanded, twohanded, dualwield, swords, axes...). You would need several chars, more then 10 imo, as the builds would share several of the nodes (eg. you must pick life or defenses with each build).

IMO this challlenge is the most tough (well, time consuming) of them all, and will require a lot of planing, leveling alts & character slots. Though it might be possible to complete the challenges without buying additional slots & tabs, but this would be kinda silly (sharing accounts & stuff like that).

It will be interesting to see how will players achieve this challenge.

You're right, I had already forgotten about that little change! One objection though, The keystone character really wouldn't be that hard to do on it's own in one go. You would just essentially be leveling with only + stats and as many keystones as you can think to combine for a decent build. After that you would be saving points up just to use all at once to complete them all, minus ones you've already taken on other characters. Many keystones work terribly together, so it's not expected that you get more than a few during actual play, and there are many good builds out there that don't require much in the way of passives, dual/tri totem comes to mind first.