Why are people calling PoE P2W with the incoming Challenges?

can't believe people are qqing about a t-shirt,someone should make a meme out of this.

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AusterlitZ написал:

can't believe people are qqing about a t-shirt,someone should make a meme out of this.

How'd I do?

Take into consideration that poe shirts cost in excess of $100.

Holy shit people will whine about anything. It must be so difficult to create infinite free accounts with infinite characters to hold your damn uniques. But oh noes, it's pay2win!

I think all you guys need to zero-in on the correct definition of "Pay To Win" first.

P2W is any form in which a game charges you real money, to get something that is both required AND you can't get otherwise.
it doesn't matter if it's the developer who charges you the money or not, and GGG sure don't.
they only charge you for cosmetic stuff with zero effect on gameplay. the "extra stash tabs" transaction is border P2W, but meh - you can still get far enough in the game without it. I know I did. it's harder in terms of loot management, but definitely doable.

but here's the thing: GGG don't do P2W, but the way they decided to create the 8 challenges of 0.11.0 does.

can a no-lifer playing solo, self-found, no-trade 24 hours a day for 4 months, do the "explore all areas", "slay all rogue exiles" and "get to level 60 with every class" challenges? yes. definitely.

can the same no-lifer do the "use all forms of currency" or "find 90 uniques"? not necessarily.
because random is random and you can play until unconsciousness and still never find an Exalted Orb or unique number 90, while some other guy already has everything at level 60 with one character.

that's where P2W comes in: the same RMT sites GGG are seemingly waging a war against, will have a field day. they can go in and say "hey, we can make sure you get both achievements! we'll even hold a discount sale for the occasion: a special pack of one orb of each kind for X dollars + a pack of 90 uniques for Y dollars".

unlike the greedy Activision or EA bastards, GGG don't do P2W.
but they sure do encourage it. and now I dare say knowingly.

the only way they can prevent it from happening, is by binding one achievement to another: you killed all rogue exiles? here's an Eternal Orb and and Exalted Orb.
you got all characters to level 60? have 15 uniques. and do the other challenges to get more.
will they do it? I sure hope so. we'll wait and see when the patch comes out.

also, they should pick up the banhammer, so anyone who's done nothing but already has those 2 achievements - gets perma-smacked with it.

Wow. QQing over a T-shirt prize.

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Lucky for us Golds and Diamonds, we already wonhave our shirts. ^^

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THEHORNEDRAT написал:

Wow. QQing over a T-shirt prize.

algoQQwhinebots gets more hilarious.

Lucky for us Golds and Diamonds, we already wonhave our shirts. ^^

yes, but you guys didn't pay 1000$ for a shirt, correct?

and I won't go for the achievements for a shirt, as well.
I'll go for them because I love challenges. especially those based on pure skill.

the only problem is some of those challenges (see my previous post), are bound to RNG. therefore disregard skill and dedication. therefore call out to all RMT vultures. therefore P2W.

read the last 2 paragraphs in my previous post, to see how this form of P2W can be prevented.

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johnKeys написал:

I think all you guys need to zero-in on the correct definition of "Pay To Win" first.

P2W is any form in which a game charges you real money, to get something that is both required AND you can't get otherwise.
it doesn't matter if it's the developer who charges you the money or not, and GGG sure don't.

That's inaccurate. P2W is when a player can purchase in-game advantages with money. Simple as that. "Required" is not an appropriate word to use here.

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but here's the thing: GGG don't do P2W, but the way they decided to create the 8 challenges of 0.11.0 does.

can a no-lifer playing solo, self-found, no-trade 24 hours a day for 4 months, do the "explore all areas", "slay all rogue exiles" and "get to level 60 with every class" challenges? yes. definitely.

can the same no-lifer do the "use all forms of currency" or "find 90 uniques"? not necessarily.
because random is random and you can play until unconsciousness and still never find an Exalted Orb or unique number 90, while some other guy already has everything at level 60 with one character.

You can purchase an exalted orb from other players (with in-game currency) if you don't find it. Same goes for the uniques.

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that's where P2W comes in: the same RMT sites GGG are seemingly waging a war against, will have a field day. they can go in and say "hey, we can make sure you get both achievements! we'll even hold a discount sale for the occasion: a special pack of one orb of each kind for X dollars + a pack of 90 uniques for Y dollars".

unlike the greedy Activision or EA bastards, GGG don't do P2W.
but they sure do encourage it. and now I dare say knowingly.

the only way they can prevent it from happening, is by binding one achievement to another: you killed all rogue exiles? here's an Eternal Orb and and Exalted Orb.
you got all characters to level 60? have 15 uniques. and do the other challenges to get more.
will they do it? I sure hope so. we'll wait and see when the patch comes out.

also, they should pick up the banhammer, so anyone who's done nothing but already has those 2 achievements - gets perma-smacked with it.

RMT shitheads will always exist. GGG is doing the best they can to purge them away from the game without stooping to their level. If you make achievements more appealing by having them give huge in-game advantages after completion, then not only will you piss people off who don't care for achievements, you'll also be making RMT more popular as people would rather buy their achievements instead of doing boring shit. It'll also spawn a whole bunch of nefarious behavior, with people grinding achievements on multiple accounts to get as many orbs as they can. Making achievements give orbs is by far the absolute worst thing GGG can do.

Novalisk,

1) regardless of my choice of words, buying orbs with real money is P2W because it gives you an achievement others won't necessarily have. therefore an advantage.
it's also required for this achievement, if you are extremely unlucky.

2) it's circular RNG: you need Exalted-worthy stuff to buy Exalted Orbs via trade. you need Unique-worthy currency to buy uniques via trade. both are bound to RNG, and therefore both have the strong potential to not be at your disposal, no matter how hard you try.
besides, I did say my hypothetical no-lifer plays self-found solo - so he can only use drops and vendor recipes. uniques and 25% of the orbs don't have vendor recipes.
and Orb Of Chance on whites is "double RNG": obtain orb and white. use orb on white.

3) yes, RMT will always exist - but it's just wrong to give them such a huge, obvious opening to pour-in from.
also, if you hoard currency and uniques by doing achievements with different accounts - well then, you're doing achievements. you're accomplishing crazy feats of skill and determination more than once. that my friend, is something not to be taken lightly. it's the opposite of exploiting the game when you "earn your exploits" with hard work.

johnkeys you pop up in every post on these boards with some sort of gripe about how this or that is unfair and GGG is the evil monkey behind all of the worlds conspiracies, maybe it's time to move on to another game? I mean I am worried about your health, your blood pressure must be through the roof, your arteries tighter than a farmer's daughter's ...... you get the point