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FeverRafiee написал:

I've been in Fever for a little over 2 and a half years and been an officer for about 2 years. I can assure everyone that we're fair in how we deal with members that have been toxic to our community. It seems pretty apparent to me that this epicleech guy is just another throwaway account anyway. I wasn't directly involved in the investigation into the Neverwinter hackers and LoL cheaters, but they did eventually get banned which is what's important. As for the poster that is trying to "warn" people about Fever, we don't tolerate trolls, griefers, etc so it was only a matter of time before you were removed from Fever. The member you mention that was removed due to hacking in BF3 was banned fairly. You didn't see all the evidence and could only speculate, but there was more than enough evidence to remove that member on the grounds of cheating in game.

If this community wasn't a pleasant place to be a part of, then I would not have stayed in it for so long. Oh and to whoever this kittykat person is, your efforts are in vain. I had absolutely no idea who you were until I saw this thread so you're obviously not impacting anything. A for effort, though.

I rarely play POE myself, but to be fair, this clan has pissed off me, and a few other people, I am not here to grief, or troll the OP or anyone else, however there is some concerns that Fever has failed to address for quite some time now.

(1.) Like it or not the clan was involved with cheating, the clan did ban those members because honestly I some of the leaders of the clan are kind and respectful people as to where I think some others are not respectful which from every clan I have been in there is always at least one incident when there are multiple leaders I talk from experience I could go on about examples but I am trying to keep this rather short.

The problem with these cheaters is that they cheated an online RPG title which resulted in the Duplication, and exploit of online goods, sure the person was removed, but the damage to the game was done by Fever so to speak, although you would tell me not to blame a clan for one persons actions and they were removed right so the clan did its job but still.

(2.) Do a favor go to you're forums and look up an account named "Katarina" And tell me why it says their account is "Banned", yes that is right this persons account got banned the reason given when the person try's to log in it says that they were "Trolling" Fever and than ban would be lifted never.

A. However Fever personal say that this person can appeal a ban by making a post on Fever forums but can't do such because they can't even login to their own account.

B. You accused "Katarina" who was a fever member for like a month maybe two of "Trolling" Fever members but you fail to provide any "Evidence" of this person "Trolling" All you provide is "Fever" does not allow "Trolls" in the clan but you accuse this person of trolling and breaking rules which resulted in a "perm ban." You fail to provide this evidence, and you tell everyone-else all her friends that she was a "Troll" and got removed for trolling with failure to provide any evidence of such crimes.

I tell you why "Katarina" got banned, or why I think she got banned, she got banned because she had an "Arguement" with another player in a game called "LOL" there was no "Trolling Involved" just a minor dispute in a "Chat" which is not owned or operated by "Fever" and so one of the so called "Officers" got mad and recommend that she be banned instead of resolving a small dispute which was between "Another Troll" who actively joined the chat and admit to "Cheating in LOL" by boosting other players, and the same person who admit to "Launching DDOS attacks" on the clan servers this is why "Katarina" got perm banned so I believe."

Given the fact that "Katarina" was just a "Guest on "Fever Forums" and not an actual member means that the rules listed on the "Fever" Site does not apply to her in any way unless she herself was on "Trolling on Fever Forums, or in Team Speak trolling channels, or harassment of other Fever users on their servers, which I have no evidence of, and the only reason "Katarina" the fever user got involved in the chat disagreement on "LOL" is because she was threaten in chat, and players were trolling Fever admitting to "DDOS attacks" which are illegal, and two other players trolling."

Conclusion, I looked at the Snap-Shots posted in this forum section, and what I see is "Fever" Personal disrespecting her, and players who admit to cheating for at least a week before they were removed from the clan. I am honestly not saying this clan is bad, but I think that possibly one or a couple of their lower ranking officers "Over Stepped" the line and banned her unless I see proof as otherwise I feel that this person was "Abused" by this clan. Well to be honest I don't think the entire clan was disrespectful to her, and the actual founder was respectful when she was actually a member and got demoted he gave the permission to allow her to stay and have fun with the players she knew until some jerk revoked those rights without a given reason because she got upset at the two trolls who were launching attacks against the clan she knew people from and had friends from.

Perhaps someone misunderstand who was really trolling that day, and who was really supporting their fellow friends and mates, mistakes sometimes occur, or perhaps someone-else was upset and trolled "Fever" that day besides her because of being upset that she reported a couple of people to the admins like months before when she was a member of the actual clan.

Perhaps instead of allowing this to go on you should respectfully, contact this person via their registered email on you're forum, and talk about what happened like adults settle the dispute there, because after all "Fever" has rules, Fever also has a "Ban Appeal" forum but never showed any proper respect or justice, and allowed this person to "appeal" their so called crime instead they just instant perm banned and what do you think that is going to do when you treat a person with disrespect, then instant ban the user there are more polite and respectful ways to do things, or perhaps I am just too kind of a person to be a king.

This is off topic but allow me to explain this.

Just because a person knows how to cheat, grief, or hack does not mean they do it allow me to explain what I am talking about.

Consider Trolling/Griefing a life skill, there are those who do it for the laughs usually Trolling is the act of doing something bad like "Spamming" a forum, "Cursing at people" "posting random un-related meme" or throwing a topic off title.

Griefing, is when a person does something for the "Lulz" basically for laughs to make a person life hell.

. However to note on Griefing, there is also the form of griefing where a person griefs, or exposes another person's actions, or clan out of revenge for something they feel they have been wronged by, and this is exactly what is occur with this clan "Katarina" Feels she was wrongfully treated by this clan and has no way to "Appeal" their punishment."

. Trolling, can also be considered Pranking, which can be okay to do once in awhile and its fun as long as its nothing too serious, but obviously this is not what we are talking about.

And to be quite honest with what I believe, sometimes a person who actually knows how to Troll, Grief, Cheat, Hack, and Exploit is a good person, doesn't make them bad, their actions are what make them bad. Take for example I myself know over a hand-full of cheat companies who make hacks for "Online FPS Games" I know how anti-cheats work, I know how to bypass a any type of internet ban, and I know my technology, this doesn't make me a bad person, and I have used my so called "Skills" in the past to do some pretty ugly things, I am not going to Brag about this, but my actions were done to help others who were innocent, but also still broke many rules of the game/service I used. "Nope I didn't get banned, because I know how to avoid any type of ban thrown at me, and that is whom I am."

< I did not come here to trash talk this community, because I know a lot of you are awesome people, and I know at least two of the founders/leaders of this community are good people, but I can't speak for the officers who disrespected katarina and recommend they be perm banned with no justice/appeal, no right to hear or see what anyone had against them.>

< So much for keeping this post short, In the end just because Katarina was disrespected does not mean that other members have or will be treated the same way.>

< To be honest I have been gaming for over 10 years now been in and out of many clans I do my best to respect people even if I personally Do not like them, but there are more polite ways to go about doing things with someone who doesn't fit in with the clan, things like a person who does bad in a game, the way a person talks, or things they do, sometimes people get offended by others, but even with such unless a person is truly "Trolling" There are ways to still be respectful and be like you know what "Please don't log into our "Team Speak" anymore and do this or next time we will have to ban you, or "Removal" of a member for example there are polite ways to go about just saying, you don't fit in here please leave give them a few minutes to talk with their friends and leave. (Unless of course the person is "Trolling" "Harassment, or "Griefing" people.>

<Then there is the disrespectful thing to talk behind a persons back, and in a figure of speech take a knife to it by banning the user while they are asleep and not letting them know anything at all.> This to me is totally disrespectful it is what happened to Katarina someone I role-played with on path of exile and a couple of other games.> I have known this person for years I have been around the gaming community for years, been in many clans done many reviews, I do not feel this person would ever lie or troll a clan or their gaming community.>

(I expect that Fever knows about being "Respectful" because its rules talk all about this on their own website." Although I believe this person I know was treated disrespectfully, there are those who would say "Just Move On", but for some people they take their gaming very seriously, and it isn't so easy for them to do such "Especially after knowing players for at least a month or longer, Trusting a gaming community, and then getting the knife to the back.)

I hope you all work this out by contacting them or something through you're forums, and for the record, "I am not a throw-away account although I do not play POE much myself because I died like 8 times in hard-core and I personally am playing at the moment. I am not the only one who would speak or vouch for my friend, and this person knows many friends and knows many clans and gamer's so when you go accuse someone of trolling and being disrespectful it kinda really upset a hand-full of us.

We go all the way back to 2005 playing Lineage 2 Aden siege many years ago now we play Dark-Fall & EVE together, as well as a few MOBA's so when I speak of this person I don't feel they really did anything to deserve a knife in the back the way they were treated, and I do not think they deserved to be called a retard right off the start because they couldn't play a MOBA the way some-one else did or for building a champion they never played in-correctly. We all have to learn some-where and to be honest, I wouldn't call Katarina the best MOBA player, but I would say they learn from their enemies and can make some serious plays and tactics during warfare, although I know they are a soft person when it comes to the whole clan-leadership thing the reason they never care to be a leader in a clan because they are too kind to people to be disrespectful I am sure they would have no problem dealing with a Troll or Griefer though.

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I don't know what's going on in this thread but it's worth applying, most of the people in fever are awesome except cyber <3

This person I know who I have game with for many years share our files and documents on any type of "Griefer/Trolling" experiences we encounter we remote-access each-others computers at times too. I know that based on what I have read on the report "Cyber" is one of the respectful admin's who help kat in her first problem in the clan, although I do understand not everyone gets along with one another in a big clan which is why these days I prefer we actually invite and get to know everyone without growing into a big clan not only does it keep the peace, but it helps keep out the cheaters too in over 7 months of being a member of my friends clan we have had only one cheater incident the user never even bothered to log back on at all so he knows what he did was wrong and he paid the cost loosing months of leveling up simply because he tried out a cheat very stupid of him.

I hope this will teach some of Katarina's friends, and Fever a few things about, and how they feel they were wronged. I Apologize if this is offensive to some of you, but since someone started it here I feel the need to say something, and like I said I really hope you all work out the issues being that Kat has no idea who gave her the knife in the back to begin with and no way to appeal or see why she was banned when it could have just be an honest mistake taken the wrong way by some officer or something.

And for those who doubt that I am a serious gamer, and play many online games/debate about online games and their designs, just "Google my forum name", heck Google you're own user names see how much stuff you come up with just for fun.

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FeverRafiee написал:

Perhaps instead of allowing this to go on you should respectfully, contact this person via their registered email on you're forum, and talk about what happened like adults settle the dispute there, because after all "Fever" has rules, Fever also has a "Ban Appeal" forum but never showed any proper respect or justice, and allowed this person to "appeal" their so called crime instead they just instant perm banned and what do you think that is going to do when you treat a person with disrespect, then instant ban the user there are more polite and respectful ways to do things, or perhaps I am just too kind of a person to be a king.

I will investigate the player katarina that you mentioned today.


As for the message that I'm quoting here, I looked in the ban appeal section and this player did have access in there and left a post. However, the post was not a ban appeal but was basically just continuing to troll leadership. This is just the type of player we don't want in our community because they taint the family-like community we're going for. That being said, we have a very large community and there are bound to be some people that slip through the cracks and there will be mistakes made by admins from time to time. We do try out best to fix both instances after they have occurred.





I just looked into it and it looks like the member in question actually admitted to being disrespectful and apologized for it. I don't know what rank they were prior to being removed, but when a member hasn't progressed far in the community they're basically on a probation period which results in a removal after they show us toxicity during that time period. This is just to try and keep people out of the ranks that may likely cause more drama in the future. They're apology was respectable, and it seems that alcohol may have been involved, but that doesn't mean that a member can act however they want and then not have repercussions just because there was alcohol involved. I respect the way that they did apologize, but I personally would not allow them to rejoin. However, I'm not sure why it was a ban instead of just a removal. I wasn't involved in that whole debacle so I obviously don't know the whole picture, but I would assume that there was some good reason for it. If katarina was a guest and trolling then that does automatically result in a ban(not sure if this was the case or not).


Found some more stuff after the ban took place. If for some reason there wasn't a very good reason to ban them in the first place, I can definitely see why it wasn't reversed in the future. Looks to me like Katarina started making throwaway accounts and trolling the forums. Found one post they made with pictures showing that a member named Raven was being disrespectful. That member has been banned as well so the point that was made that we kept members like that around is untrue...it just took some time to find out their true colors.









All in all, this is a wonderful community for the most part, and if we see anything impeding with that then we do our best to get rid of it. I would encourage everyone to give Fever a shot because you may love it. If not, then any one is more than welcome to go their own way and to respectably leave as they wish to.

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FeverRafiee написал:

Perhaps instead of allowing this to go on you should respectfully, contact this person via their registered email on you're forum, and talk about what happened like adults settle the dispute there, because after all "Fever" has rules, Fever also has a "Ban Appeal" forum but never showed any proper respect or justice, and allowed this person to "appeal" their so called crime instead they just instant perm banned and what do you think that is going to do when you treat a person with disrespect, then instant ban the user there are more polite and respectful ways to do things, or perhaps I am just too kind of a person to be a king.


I will investigate the player katarina that you mentioned today.


As for the message that I'm quoting here, I looked in the ban appeal section and this player did have access in there and left a post. However, the post was not a ban appeal but was basically just continuing to troll leadership. This is just the type of player we don't want in our community because they taint the family-like community we're going for. That being said, we have a very large community and there are bound to be some people that slip through the cracks and there will be mistakes made by admins from time to time. We do try out best to fix both instances after they have occurred.





I just looked into it and it looks like the member in question actually admitted to being disrespectful and apologized for it. I don't know what rank they were prior to being removed, but when a member hasn't progressed far in the community they're basically on a probation period which results in a removal after they show us toxicity during that time period. This is just to try and keep people out of the ranks that may likely cause more drama in the future. They're apology was respectable, and it seems that alcohol may have been involved, but that doesn't mean that a member can act however they want and then not have repercussions just because there was alcohol involved. I respect the way that they did apologize, but I personally would not allow them to rejoin. However, I'm not sure why it was a ban instead of just a removal. I wasn't involved in that whole debacle so I obviously don't know the whole picture, but I would assume that there was some good reason for it. If katarina was a guest and trolling then that does automatically result in a ban(not sure if this was the case or not).


Found some more stuff after the ban took place. If for some reason there wasn't a very good reason to ban them in the first place, I can definitely see why it wasn't reversed in the future. Looks to me like Katarina started making throwaway accounts and trolling the forums. Found one post they made with pictures showing that a member named Raven was being disrespectful. That member has been banned as well so the point that was made that we kept members like that around is untrue...it just took some time to find out their true colors.



All in all, this is a wonderful community for the most part, and if we see anything impeding with that then we do our best to get rid of it. I would encourage everyone to give Fever a shot because you may love it. If not, then any one is more than welcome to go their own way and to respectably leave as they wish to.

Thanks for looking into it, However I am not talking about Katarina being removed from Fever clan, I know exactly why she was removed because she was banned by the tribunal and made a post on Fever forums about it trying to get some opinions about what Katarina feels is a broken tribunal system and instead it back-fired. Katarina accepted the punishment for their actions and was told by the actual leader of Fever she might be able to rejoin at a later time.

What I am interested in is how she got banned as a guest to begin with. She had a fight with the two trolls who admit to DDOS/Hacking Fever servers, and Elo-Boosting other players she got in a debate with them in League chat and I believe some officers might have got involved being jerks which made things worse. <In League Chat.>

. Do keep in mind that Fever Rules are very clear on things that allow loop-holes.
. Fever League Chat is not owned or operated by fever it is operated by (Riot Games.)
. Kat was not wearing any Fever Tag on their name because they were a guest at the time the ban occur.

. Kat was not logged into team-speak that day because they were getting Denial OF Service attacks by the two trolls she debate with in League chat who said they were doing it.

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As for the message that I'm quoting here, I looked in the ban appeal section and this player did have access in there and left a post. However, the post was not a ban appeal but was basically just continuing to troll leadership. This is just the type of player we don't want in our community because they taint the family-like community we're going for. That being said, we have a very large community and there are bound to be some people that slip through the cracks and there will be mistakes made by admins from time to time. We do try out best to fix both instances after they have occurred.

Really, Katarina actually Trolled LeaderShip because I am serious. The day Katarina was banned she had just woke up from bed, she had her home-page set to http://www.feverclan.com and when her page loaded it had this message on it http://i.imgur.com/oJO28K8.png So you tell me how they can appeal a ban when they get a message like this with absolutely no evidence, and no way to contact an Admin for an appeal or even make a post in fact their entire (IP ADDRESS) was banned from the forum and TS3. So they could not even access this via their normal IP Address they had to have me check this for them.

So if this person did not have access to the forum they could not have appeal themselves.

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Found some more stuff after the ban took place. If for some reason there wasn't a very good reason to ban them in the first place, I can definitely see why it wasn't reversed in the future. Looks to me like Katarina started making throwaway accounts and trolling the forums. Found one post they made with pictures showing that a member named Raven was being disrespectful. That member has been banned as well so the point that was made that we kept members like that around is untrue...it just took some time to find out their true colors.

Yes Fever as a clan is now getting "GRIEFED" Doesn't mean I agree with it okay, but to be honest Katarina is not the only one with the Snap-Shots anymore I have them, All her friends have them, and they prove exactly one thing that "Fever" as a clan was very disrespectful to her, and you all can't deny it. Katarina, and her friends feel that Fever have disrespected her in many ways and because of this it leads to "Drama".

> I would like to see my friend in peace with this issue unless there is actually something that proves she totally disrespected Fever as a community, or Trolled Fever Leaders which I have not seen any proof of, when she was removed from Fever I know she was crying, and respected the leaders decision, so you tell me why a person like her would disrespect the leaders or officers of the clan. You know how I know this I was on Ventrilo with her playing EVE at the time this took place.

> What I would love to see is actual proof that shows that Kat disrespected its members and until I see such proof I am saying that she really was a loyal member to you're clan despite you're mistakes and she got a knife in the back. You call yourselves a family I can understand what this clan is trying to form, but at the same time whoever Stuck the knife in the back did a really bad thing for this clan, they made more than one enemy, and with all the disrespectful/hateful things that were done to Katarina did you just think they were going to go away if Fever decide to take the path of disrespecting her and that was going to be the end of it?

> Fever claims it wants to be a family, a respectful clan, and have a good time, I can understand where Fever comes from, so far it is not doing a good job at it, you honestly accuse a good friend Who I have known of since 2005 from Lineage 2 of Trolling, and being a disrespectful person, but I fail to see any proof of this all I see is a bunch of logs which she has given to me and which have been posted online by others proving what Fever does.

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All in all, this is a wonderful community for the most part, and if we see anything impeding with that then we do our best to get rid of it. I would encourage everyone to give Fever a shot because you may love it. If not, then any one is more than welcome to go their own way and to respectably leave as they wish to.

> You do understand that with people like Katarina, Myself, or Her friends, We are respectful people we never log into peoples voice communication servers or clan forums and troll people for the laughs let alone disrespect our leaders which is why I would love to see where katarina did this on Fever services. However with this said we also do not take Bull**it from other people or clans we prefer to keep things peaceful but if you disrespect players like you did with my furry friend Katarina then don't be shocked when you get random throw away accounts posting on you're recruitment posts which can easily be found via Google, and the Dark Internet. *Banning and accusing Katarina, or her friends, or me for that matter only makes things worse when you're members have proven to be toxic towards them.* Which is why I have ask many times if Katarina was indeed trolling, then I would love to see it posted right here if not I would like to see things set right for the sake of the clan, You want players to think good about you're clan and Griefing to stop, then I sugguest you either get proof that Katarina was banned for Trolling on Fever services, or undo the false claims you made against her and gave her no chance to even appeal as shown here. http://i.imgur.com/oJO28K8.png This is the day when her entire IP was banned from the server she had to have someone else login to the site and they sent us this over our Team-Speak. (You claim Katarina had the right to appeal I claim she didn't.), and was BackStabbed."

> I am trying to think good about this Community because I know it has some good members and I know for a fact some of the leaders are nice and respectful people, But at the same time I am seeing "Ignorance" "Accusations" about my friend which falsely banning her is what lead to all this drama anyways because You all disrespected her, You're Clan cheated in at least two gaming community RPG Games, and I would love to look past this myself being that these people were removed, but seeing my friend being treated the same way that you're own rules say not to treat others is totally abusive and makes me see Fever as a disrespectful community.

I could go on and on about the years and experience with guilds and Social Behavior, but I feel that the leaders of this clan should take a good look at what they did to kat and give a clear reason to why she was perm banned as a guest when I believe she did nothing in TS3, or Fever Servers. You can either actually deal with the Drama, or Let it eat you're clan's reputation slowly and live with the fact that you totally back-stabbed you're so called Family Member/Guest very disrespectfully.

> Perhaps Fever can start by not telling lies that Katarina was allowed to Appeal the ban, if she would have had a way to contact Fever and appeal a ban respectfully then perhaps it wouldn't have came this far. ^I know the first time she got into trouble with Fever and removed of membership she was promoted like 3-4 ranks, and she respected the leader and their decision, he was a nice person, but I can't speak for every officer there who has ban rights.^

> Perhaps Instead of just telling me Katarina Trolled, Disrespected Leaders you really should prove this to me because no disrespect to you I am not calling you a liar, but I am saying that She was given no appeal chance, and wrongfully treated multiple times as a member mainly and then as a guest by trolls while doing what was right. She was Upset Over a TROLL/Cheater trolling League Chat that is why she was banned nothing more unless you want to accuse Katarina of Launching DDOS attacks on the Fever Server too when she actually reported them to two people of Fever and was pissed about the whole thing, you all really should learn who you're true friends are instead of making enemies. > Sure maybe you all didn't like Kat much, not everyone gets along at first hand, Kat has been in guilds before where a few people hate her first off but in the end they actually become her best friend if they learn to understand her.> Sometimes people however take things way too far don't give any chance, are mean backstabbers, and that is where drama comes in.>

I just hope that fever will actually work with out with kat before the drama gets any worse and that the mistake is actually resolved I also hope Fever will learn from this mistake of just being disrespectful to its members/guests and its leadership actually does something to resolve and improve this so that things like the cheating, and disrespectful members never occur again.

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Renoaku написал:

so that things like the cheating, and disrespectful members never occur again.

This is an ideal that every good clan strives towards just as we do. We accept people into our clan family expecting them to follow the rules. Unfortunately(or fortunately, whichever way you wanna look at it) we cant control every single individual's actions. It is inevitable that at some point someone will break a rule, which means that we cant guarantee that the odd time a toxic member will be disrespectful or cheat. However we CAN guarantee that if such a member is noticed, they will lose the privilege of being a part of us.(which happened to a number of trolls that like to plague this post).

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On a separate note, it was previously mentioned by the troll that even though the members who cheated in the game got banned from our clan, damage had been done by FEVER. Can you honestly judge a whole clan by the actions of a few people who cheated in a game which resulted in their right to be a fever member being REVOKED in the first place? By cheating they also broke OUR rules and were removed by our clan because we don't associate with those types of people.

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Renoaku написал:

so that things like the cheating, and disrespectful members never occur again.

This is an ideal that every good clan strives towards just as we do. We accept people into our clan family expecting them to follow the rules. Unfortunately(or fortunately, whichever way you wanna look at it) we cant control every single individual's actions. It is inevitable that at some point someone will break a rule, which means that we cant guarantee that the odd time a toxic member will be disrespectful or cheat. However we CAN guarantee that if such a member is noticed, they will lose the privilege of being a part of us.(which happened to a number of trolls that like to plague this post).

You know what I honestly think I know Katarina is very upset because she feels that Fever as a clan stabbed her in the back. Okay to keep this rather short, a lot of Drama went down with Katarina between some people, she got hurt feelings, She was removed as a member from Fever not for trolling Fever, but because the Leader found out she got suspend from the Tribunal and didn't want bad light on the clan is exactly what he explained to her. Katarina Accepted the punishment for their actions and never trolled Fever for this.

She went over 3 weeks remaining in Fever as a guest she didn't troll Fever or anything, but what got her banned is the day that Fever was Attacked by DDOS/Trolls she had a fight with the two trolls who were members of fever who claimed responsibility for the attacks in League chat, and some officer got involved calling her a troll and disrespecting her talking like he owned the clan and said something along the lines of You are not done with Fever, Fever is done with you. The next day she got banned. There was likely a debate with the person who came in here and made the fight bigger I really don't know but knowing Katarina she would not have done anything very disrespectful at all it was likely a misunderstanding and she gets perm banned and called a troll for it I can ask them for the logs later if they still have them

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On a separate note, it was previously mentioned by the troll that even though the members who cheated in the game got banned from our clan, damage had been done by FEVER. Can you honestly judge a whole clan by the actions of a few people who cheated in a game which resulted in their right to be a fever member being REVOKED in the first place? By cheating they also broke OUR rules and were removed by our clan because we don't associate with those types of people.

You have no idea what Trolling, and Griefing is, Katarina feels she has been wrongfully treated/Backstabbed by fever so she see fever as an enemy, had Fever not have accused her of being a troll, Trash Talked Her, and then later banned her "With no chance to Appeal" things would have gone a lot more peaceful. You see when you all banned her you have every right to do as you please by all means, but when you be disrespectful to a member, and then rudely ban them without any warning or discussion you open up Drama, and Grief.

I don't want to side with a Troll, but Katarina, and her friends are right, Fever Cheated an online MMORPG, their member admit on their own website/forum to Duplicating Items in Never Winter, and things like this ruin an economy which means that basically even though fever did the right thing and banned this person, Fever members were technically still responsible for screwing up the Never Winter economy. >Sure the guy broke fever rules he was banned, Fever doesn't tolerate this, but still the damage was already done to the game as PWI never wiped or reset it.>

Personally Speaking however I would not hold Fever as an Entire clan responsible for the actions of a few people I understand cheating happens and sometimes a cheater or two get into a clan. I honestly know that not Every Member of Fever is bad myself but honestly how do you expect me to feel about Fever when members of this clan as shown in Snap-Shots have disrespected one of my best gaming buddies/friends. And to make things worse they got banned because the got upset over a Troll in League chat which I believe an officer jumped in making things worse they get banned over this one little incident when they were no longer a member of fever or on fever with a chance to appeal. I see them as they tried to do the right thing by reporting this to Fever Admins of what they were doing, they were Anxious felt nothing was being done and got upset when a officer got in the middle of a fight that was totally outside of Fevers Domain.

http://www.unholybanhammer.com/BH/ Take this as an example of cheaters our clan has one person who cheated/got banned he never bothered to login anymore after he was caught.

So can I judge Fever as a Whole, Honestly no, but I look on the clan is being disrespectful to people I know and trust, Perhaps this will change depending on what Fever decides to do with my friend who was not a member just a guest. I do not expect Fever to ever accept Katarina as a member, she lost that long time ago she never expected it either, but to go and Bash her when she was still a loyal friend in the community never did anything to anyone in TS3 or on You're own forums was completely wrong. Sure I agree what she is doing is Wrong too but the Drama will most likely continue until she gets Proof that she was Trolling on Fever Services herself, or gets these false accusations of being a Troll Cleared up. Sure she will never be a member of fever again but making some of her Fever friends who still play League together think she was trolling, banning her from an entire TS3 to the point where she had to tell them she was banned and show them the abuse she got was plain out stupid and drama causing because I know for certain she did not disrespect people in TS3 they disrespected her.

> What I hope is that Fever & Kat come to some resolution to this because honestly I do not think Fever wants the disruptions on all their recruitment posts, or Drama, so if Fever actually finds out why she was banned when she was not Trolling Fever on their TS3, or Forums it would be great if they did the right thing because I am quite sure that if Fever does the right thing kat and her friends will do the same thing and leave fever in peace.

> You also want another honest fact, Katarina was promoted way too fast as far as being a member in Fever, she made some mistakes, but so did you all, and we all make mistakes being in a community she was never even warned once when she was removed because of the Tribunal suspension, she was never warned when she was supposedly trolling just down right banned wrongfully.

> I can assure Fever that if Katarina wanted to Troll you all she could login to you're TS3 server right now desipite you're bans she has no intention of Trolling Fever, or its Officers because she is a respectful person deep down kat just wants the dispute taken care of because she was accused of TROLLING when she never trolled. Its a matter of reputation and you accused of and did so much to her that she got fed up with the wrong doings and being banned really set kat and her friends off you see.

> I would like to see the fight stop between Kat, and Fever, and I am sure that if Fever actually did the right thing instead of just immediately throwing down a ban-hammer none of this would have happened. I mean I know Kat she is a very nice and respectful person she only gets upset when disrespected and I would not risk my reputation in the Online community by saying such unless it were actually true. If Kat actually trolled then I would say prove it or let her make a mistake herself then punish her but I am saying she did absolutely nothing on the fever servers the day she got accused of trolling and banned from forums & TS.

I mean you two seem like nice people to be honest but I don't know you personally, and doubt you have any power within Fever. I am sure that if Fever changes its attitude towards her she will change herself, she will likely not even bother to really play with many people from Fever at all anymore after all of this. I just think it is too bad that none of you really gave her a chance and that all this drama happened Katarina is a nice person, but as I said also soft, she has her mean-side too I think we all do, but also a nice person to have around you all just never really gave her the chance you threw you're arms up and scream Troll at first sight of a debate likely due to misunderstanding.

I'm saying that katarina did appeal because I found then appeal on the forums. That in itself proves that katarina was able to. There shouldn't have been an IP ban and I don't whether or not that's actually true, but regardless...katarina was able to access the ban appeals and post. The issue with that was that katarina didn't actually appeal, but totally went off on leadership which I can definitely see that some people may look at the process of being banned and then given the chance of appealing not being ideal. This is, however, how we do things just because of the sheer amount of members we get and we want to try and safeguard our community from trolls sooner rather than later. We hope that those that were unfairly banned will appeal the ban and forgive us for the wrongful ban and that's usually how it goes down.



As for the proof of katarina being disrespectful to leadership, I don't have actual conversation snapshots of that occurring, but that fact that katarina came on the forums and admitting that they actually did disrespect people is a confession so no proof is even needed at that point. I talked to a leader that was involved about this whole situation yesterday after my investigation and he confirmed my suspicions of what went down. Katarina may be your friend and I can appreciate trying to defend this gamer because we all want to defend our friends, but you must also realize that sometimes people act differently around other people. I have friends that do this too and I'm well aware of it. The ban was only because katarina trolled Fever members while katarina was a guest. That's just one of our rules. If a guest trolls members, then the guest gets banned. It is unfortunate that the members were later found to be guilty of attacking our servers and ended up being banned in the end. This doesn't excuse immature behavior though. Katarina should have just avoided the whole situation entirely and that's where katarina went wrong. I hope that you can try and see this from our perspective. We're not finding people we don't like and making it our mission to ruin their gaming experience, we're just trying to safeguard the community from bad behavior and when we see something that can develop into a toxic situation we stop it right then and there. I'm sure that katarina will or already has found a community that they can fit in with comfortably and it's possible that Fever just wasn't the right fit, but at some point a person just needs to move on instead of living in the past.


~Rafiee





P.S. I just re-read the end of your post. I'm a general in Fever, so I do have access to the information which is why I was able to find more and why I was able to be more firm with what I believe to be the correct course of action. If I had found this to be completely unfair, then I would have brought it up with the leaders and had it cleared up.

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