Sorry, but the chisel recipe is pain in the ass

Chisel recipe should be more like chromatic and jeweller recipe imo. The struggle is real maintaining chisels when you're solo mapping and trade is unresponsive to 3:1c or 140:1ex.

I don't like the road blocks GGG puts up for players just wanting to play AND gain experience on their top exiles. Running low level maps unchiseled/dried lake looking for chisels OR waiting for trade offers shouldn't be a thing but it is for me. With no vendors offering chisels for other currencies, it just plain sucks. It's almost like GGG WANTS me to buy chisels from a third-party for real money with this type of design in place.


Hoping for a positive change in the future. :c

thx for this necro dude.

hail to the lootfilters!

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WARPAINTER написал:

Chisel recipe should be more like chromatic and jeweller recipe imo. The struggle is real maintaining chisels when you're solo mapping and trade is unresponsive to 3:1c or 140:1ex.

Wth, i ALWAYS have 4-5 pages full of hammers within 7-10 days of playing a new league. In my case i never have enough whetstones so i stop picking up hammers eventually. I probably have 30 pages of hammers spread in standard/hardcore that are unused from different leagues :D

I think that people are mostly just too lazy to pick them up while leveling because they see no or low value of the item there and then, and later in the game they complain about not having chisels(which is not even mandatory, just helpful).

Hammers are worth more than rare items ! (<--more targeted to new people)

E* Could also add that, i do understand at some point entering high 90's, chisels have already been used a lot of, and tons more are somewhat needed depending on the goal of the player. And due to this maybe it could be very helpful if the recipe was changed to : Hammer with either 0 or any quality = 1 chisel, hammer with 20Q = 2 chisels.
I dont think the market would be flooded with chisels at any time, but the price would definitely change slightly, and this will help players maintain chisels longer. What stance GGG has on how accessible chisels should be for us, i dont know.

I'll even add more on this necroed post ..

Just farm chamber of sins lvl 1 for hammers, even put on some quant gear, and run through with a few quicksilvers. Whetstones are cheap + some will drop while doing this. But of course, again, people are too lazy and want the easy and quick way.

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WARPAINTER написал:

It's almost like GGG WANTS me to buy chisels from a third-party for real money with this type of design in place.

yes! yes! exactly !!11eleven
you parents give you less pocket money? It's almost like mommy and daddy WANT you to rob your fellow school mates for real money with this type of design in place.

today is one of these days where i could shut down the internet.

Chisels ARE mandatory if you want to do high-level mapping. So are SAC pieces. The first of those kind of makes sense within the game logic (have an item that gives quality to maps), the second plain doesn't make a lot of sense at all. More importantly, neither of them is fun, and a game should be about being fun, shouldn't it?

My suggestion: Make Chisels and SAC pieces give IIR rather than IIQ and increase the general map drop rate. Then they are really no more mandatory, but still helpful.

^Sac pieces are not mandatory.

If i make a build to chain T10+ content i only chissel my maps and i am always able to chain high tier maps.

Peace,

-Boem-

@HeroOfExile
Yeah I looked into Loot filters but they seemed quite the learning curve to set up after watching ZiggyD vid and reading wiki page. I'm resigned to wait for a simpler implementation for filtering loot.

@Tian_Yihao
Yes I am too lazy to collect hammers and farm chamber of sins lvl1 when I'm lvl95. I think I should be able to maintain the chisel requirements for mapping BY mapping like I can for alteration, transmutes and augments. And maybe I can if I bothered to pick up the hammers like you point out... I haven't really tested it. I'd rather avoid it because as the thread title states the recipe is a pain in the butt and finding the hammers among 30-40 other white items on the ground is a lot harder than finding the socket or RGB-3 link.

I dunno... I may take another look at loot filter. My main issue is finding the correct hammers in the sea of white items regularly on my screen. It may be that I can fix this issue for myself... still I think GGG could have implemented the whole thing a bit better. Wanting players to make text doc loot filters to play efficiently? Seems a bit extreme.

@vio
Haha lol?

Anyway thanks for feedback... gotta go run now.

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Boem написал:

^Sac pieces are not mandatory.

If i make a build to chain T10+ content i only chissel my maps and i am always able to chain high tier maps.

Peace,

-Boem-

Seems like you are lucky. I have pretty much given up on serious mapping. T15? Is that a thing? Does that even exist? I don't know.

Don't worry, t15 is a thing. Our party had two of those drop last night (Abyss and Colosseum).

As for chisels (and alcs in my case), I've long since given up on maintaining them on my own. Most of my ex go to buying 200 alcs or 140 chisels. I get a set of each almost weekly / whenever I can.

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WARPAINTER написал:

@Tian_Yihao
Yes I am too lazy to collect hammers and farm chamber of sins lvl1 when I'm lvl95. I think I should be able to maintain the chisel requirements for mapping BY mapping like I can for alteration, transmutes and augments. And maybe I can if I bothered to pick up the hammers like you point out... I haven't really tested it. I'd rather avoid it because as the thread title states the recipe is a pain in the butt and finding the hammers among 30-40 other white items on the ground is a lot harder than finding the socket or RGB-3 link.

I dunno... I may take another look at loot filter. My main issue is finding the correct hammers in the sea of white items regularly on my screen. It may be that I can fix this issue for myself... still I think GGG could have implemented the whole thing a bit better. Wanting players to make text doc loot filters to play efficiently? Seems a bit extreme.

Given that GGG really dont want us to sustain higher maps, i guess we have to work for it. Personally i havent "farmed" for chisels since the recipe came out, and it was mostly to try it out for droprates, i farmed riverways(pre lvl change) for it and got a bad impression of it there and then. Now that Act4 is out i've noticed getting more of my hammers while leveling during act 2 areas at lvl 15-18.
I may try to farm 1-2 hours this weekend to see how quick they drop or if horseshit rng makes this a total waste of time. There is a chance it is more beneficial to just speedrun a few normal/magic maps for general loot that gives equal or more value compared to the chisels gained.

If you havent gotten a loot filter yet, i highly advice it. I was actually a bit slow getting it, i think i waited 2-3 weeks after the official 2.0 release, i did not really want to bother with all the details behind it and possibly use a lot of time for tweaking etc. But i checked a little bit around on the forum and found Antnee loot filter, and i dont regret at all getting it.

It was quite easy and fast to plug into PoE. I played some hours with it, and then decided to use 30-40 minutes to tweak some settings i preferred more for particular loot, since then i havent touched it. Afaik he had some link to a site where you could test different setting (color/textsize/etc) to make it easier to understand what to tweak in the filter. There are tons of loot filters open for public, but i think too many of them changes too much, and removes either too little or too much. I was probably lucky finding a filter right away that suited me :)



This is the lines i have in my filter for hammers, you can just change color if you want it to be better highlighted. (forum sucks at making the spaces i have in my filter, not sure how important they are for it to work.......)