Why does GGG not keep their promise?

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mark1030 написал:
So now you guys are arguing degrees of Best in Slot? So there's what, now? Best in Slot, Super Best in Slot, and Double Secret Best in Slot? Doesn't Best mean Nothing is Better?


nobody is debating what best in slot means. can you read?

try reading the post directly above yours.
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mark1030 написал:
So now you guys are arguing degrees of Best in Slot? So there's what, now? Best in Slot, Super Best in Slot, and Double Secret Best in Slot? Doesn't Best mean Nothing is Better?


Well the OP said that the new uniques being release were BiS, and that most builds were using mostly the BiS uniques. When this was shown to be false Veruski showed up pointing out that there is a unique wand that drops thousands of times during extended play that is kinda close to a supposed BiS wand, and that having such a common unique makes itemization boring.

Throughout it all everyone was being sorta jerky and sarcastic to each other which awesomely distracts from the thread now having less and less to do with the original topic.
"I would have listened... I would have understood!" - Scion

Have you removed Asus ROG/GameFirst yet?
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Veruski написал:
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bitedefer написал:
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Veruski написал:
the rare is still best in slot!


Ah you understand.


so you support the premise of uniques being created that are 99% as good as a perfectly divined, perfectly rolled rare weapons?

because i don't.

how about 99.99999% as good

what if they were the same as the perfect ones...with 1 dps less?

good unique design, no?


We're talking about 70% as good here. Claiming that 70% BiS equals actual BiS is dumb.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
70% as good as best-in-slot rare?

for something that will drop thousands of times, even during a 4-month?

that is acceptable to you?

it isn't to me.

clearly you have very little experience using orbs/etc ;(
Последняя редакция: Veruski#5480. Время: 5 июн. 2014 г., 16:31:42
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Veruski написал:
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bitedefer написал:
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Veruski написал:
the rare is still best in slot!


Ah you understand.


so you support the premise of uniques being created that are 99% as good as a perfectly divined, perfectly rolled rare weapons?

because i don't.

how about 99.99999% as good

what if they were the same as the perfect ones...with 1 dps less?

good unique design, no?

I agree, it wouldn't be good design.

But the point stands - it still wouldnt' be best in slot if there is another weapon that is better...
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almostdead написал:
But the point stands - it still wouldnt' be best in slot if there is another weapon that is better...


So then you agree that this is good design.

Either you support this type of logic, or you don't.

There isn't a middle ground.

Justifying this with -- "well, technically it isn't best in slot" gets us nowhere. Just useless pedantic nonsense.
Последняя редакция: Veruski#5480. Время: 5 июн. 2014 г., 16:47:03
Veruski, can you stop strawmanning.

Taking peoples arguments that 70% dps of BiS rare is fine, and then saying "so 99.99% of BiS dps is fine" is a complete strawman argument.

Instead of putting stupid fallacious arguments on the forums, why not try to argue WHY 70% of a rare dps is not good enough? Do some actual work getting information about what sort of wands are available at the moment in the league, and compare their potential dps.

Also take into account the low aspd on the wand, when a lot of the damage comes from anger/wrath on wanders, this is going to be a large reason a top tier wand is so much stronger
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Veruski написал:
70% as good as best-in-slot rare?

for something that will drop thousands of times, even during a 4-month?

that is acceptable to you?

it isn't to me.

clearly you have very little experience using orbs/etc ;(


I'm a casual scrub, so it's not only acceptable to me, it's awesome :D The wand seems to be even more common than Bino's, which is crazy given its power. And yes you're right, for elemental wand builds, this makes itemization quite boring. But that's one build out of dozens, and you still have to work for that wand (a lot, if you are a casual scrub like me), so I'm ok with it.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
why is 70% too good?

because 70% as good as a BiS rare is insanely good, even for a rare.

if you get yourself a dagger that is 70% as good as the best possible rare dagger, in a 4-month, you are a fucking pimp supreme.

sure, there might be a guy with a better dagger out there. maybe one person even manages to craft a perfect one during a 4-month.

but you're talking about a very tiny amount of better daggers. once you go beyond something like tyrannical + flaring, with IAS and Crit........

but, now, if weapons/items are constantly released that are like, 70% as good as a perfectly rolled rare...that's a huge bar to set!

you might as well just say: rares are trash, don't bother, unless you intend on mirroring or crafting a 6x T1.
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Veruski написал:
why is 70% too good?

because 70% as good as a BiS rare is insanely good, even for a rare.

if you get yourself a dagger that is 70% as good as the best possible rare dagger, in a 4-month, you are a fucking pimp supreme.

sure, there might be a guy with a better dagger out there. maybe one person even manages to craft a perfect one during a 4-month.

but you're talking about a very tiny amount of better daggers. once you go beyond something like tyrannical + flaring, with IAS and Crit........

but, now, if weapons/items are constantly released that are like, 70% as good as a perfectly rolled rare...that's a huge bar to set!

you might as well just say: rares are trash, don't bother, unless you intend on mirroring or crafting a 6x T1.


While I don't disagree. Physical builds surpass elemental in power. Not saying this should be a design mantra in terms of balancing, but I'm fine with this unique.

It's just good enough to make me want to build a power siphon build if I found one, but not so good that I wouldn't bother looking for something better.

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