GGG has lost it's way... another realm closes...

Garena has been shifting its focus from gaming to e-commerce and e-payment for a while now. It has literally nothing to do with your gripes about PoE.

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DDusk написал:

How is a transfer from Garena servers to GGG servers a bad thing?
Also if u have lag in the evening night it means ur internet provider is fucked up.
I have constant connection and my ping doesnt vary according to time of day.

Stop blaming servers for your bullshit connections.

The servers arent perfect but they are decent.

I don't believe 'lag' was what he was referring to. I can't speak for the Asian version of Garena, as I don't know their server locations. However, when GGG merged the Russian realm, several of the Garena servers were removed, leaving only a single location, Moscow. This is fine for those who live in the West of the country but for those in the East, it changes the game from 15ms lockstep to 150ms+ predictive mode.

After the Asian merge, players from the region will likely have to choose either Singapore or Australia, which will likely change the game, for a percentage of the Garena player base, for the worse.

Other than that, it's probably better all round, as the game was all but dead in the Garena Asia realm.

PoE ded gaem

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brgillespie написал:

According to Steam Charts, Path of Exile hit its lowest population point about two years ago, in May 2014 (6,700 concurrent players being tracked by Steam). It hasn't been that low for two entire years.

There are peaks and troughs, but the game population has averaged about 10,000 players for years now.

I imagine there could be just as many players who don't use Steam to play Path of Exile.


Sorry, but the numbers don't match up with these sort of "game is dying" posts.

It is funny how nobody commented with something like "oh ffs drop this steam charts nonsense already, they don't show/mean anything".

I remember when Chris said something about softcore items being tainted by death. And that is why its not comparable with hardcore items even if mostly playing self found.

And now we are getting over to the main servers people who could pay for skill resets and taint their whole account? How many rewards were also given out? And oh lets not forget the higher drop rates in events.

Feels good to support GGG.

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silumit написал:

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brgillespie написал:

According to Steam Charts, Path of Exile hit its lowest population point about two years ago, in May 2014 (6,700 concurrent players being tracked by Steam). It hasn't been that low for two entire years.

There are peaks and troughs, but the game population has averaged about 10,000 players for years now.

I imagine there could be just as many players who don't use Steam to play Path of Exile.


Sorry, but the numbers don't match up with these sort of "game is dying" posts.

It is funny how nobody commented with something like "oh ffs drop this steam charts nonsense already, they don't show/mean anything".

That sort of comment is valid when someone does something like use a month's statistics to support a viewpoint.

However, if the number of players being tracked by Steam has stayed around 10,000 for the past few YEARS, then I think it is safe to draw a general conclusion of "game not dying".

Garena existence is probably the reason why some of us boycott/do not want to spend anymore money to GGG.

I am glad that stupid company is gone. Now is to wait GGG to unblock steam region lock for those area.

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Arrowneous написал:

I'm trying to paint a picture of the GGG devs pushing PoE to ever higher and higher content difficulty levels to try and keep ahead of elite players at the expense of losing the 95%+ rest of the player base

That's the big risk they took with atlas and expanding endgame. it makes (time) casual users realise that (4 times more) difference in achievements some players get by investing (4 times more) time into the game than then.

they could correct that by having more buffs and implement more diminishing returns in endgame on the price of burning out dedicated players though, i'm not sure it i would want that. i made my peace witht he fact that i can't play enough to ever see the shaper in a temp league.

That is very true. My Essence League Poison Fire Trapper is up to level 76 and I'm needing T4 and T5 maps to continue on in the Atlas and only getting T1 - T3 map drops. I personally am finding that map tier progression is not working for me as I have lots of T1 -T3 maps and have them checked off (killed boss) but since T4 and up maps are gated behind some kind of weird RNG drop formula I'm not able to proceed right now. I did buy a few T4 maps but then didn't get any T4 or T5 map drops from them. So what now? GGG is expecting me to buy them? Sigh!!!

So with the always screwed up map drop RNG formulas GGG employs my ability to advance even to red maps is blocked (hell, I'm not even into yellow maps yet!). I never had any allusion of ever reaching The Guardians or The Shaper. I have never crafted a build that can easily cruise the red maps and probably never will. The BotW builds where a player has all kinds of min/maxing plus has leveraged a bunch of other PoE math mechanics with a special unique gear (which I'll never be able to afford and know will never drop) is always interesting to watch and hear Bex rattle on about how this gear stat + that gear stat + this skill + these specific supports and etc., etc., = a top build to run through red maps and face roll everything. I do look at the build and try to learn something that could help improve my builds but in 4 years I have not been very successful. So I have learned to settle for less and find a way to be ok with that otherwise my only other option is to quit for good.

That's the danger I think I'm seeing with the 2 realm closures this year. GGG needs to take PoE ever higher in difficulty content to satisfy the top elite players and their BotW top builds. With players like the ones I listen to on the Lioneye's podcast reciting from memory all kinds of gear that PoE has that I've never ever heard of before as the best way to do this type of build with that skill it's no wonder the non-elites haven't got a chance. If I was a new player today I'd most certainly not be playing for very long. If Garena can't generate enough revenue from their PoE realms it could be the tip of the iceberg in terms of the average non-elite player burnout and drop out rate. GGG should not be only coding PoE to attempt to keep 1 step ahead of the top elite players (not even sure if they can) by using the other now infamous Wilson's failed strategy: "... and then we doubled it." Just doubling down on content difficulty and increasing the time grind to level 100 is causing higher player drop out rates and will kill PoE if GGG continues coding PoE this way.

And to think 4 years ago all I wanted was an enjoyable arpg where I could kill things and find great loot. How naive was I back then? Don't misunderstand I see PoE as a great arpg (minus the damn laggy game engine and trading) and love many aspects of it otherwise I'd just be another of the millions who tried playing and then moved on. PoE really could succeed D2 if only GGG had the vision and capabilities to code the endgame for both elite and non-elite players alike (alas they are too small a company to do both). Oh well, theory crafting a better PoE for both player camps is a pipe dream and must be shelved.  :(

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silumit написал:

It is funny how nobody commented with something like "oh ffs drop this steam charts nonsense already, they don't show/mean anything".

I'd be the first one to do it, but comparing Steam charts to Steam charts is actually valid.

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Arrowneous написал:

And to think 4 years ago all I wanted was an enjoyable arpg where I could kill things and find great loot.

I can assure you it's possible to do that in T3 maps just as well in T15 maps, if you're a casual player you should have casual goals and it all works out. Sure, the chance to drop great stuff isn't high but it does drop ad if you don't aim for high maps you don't even need it to have fun. If you don't have a lot of time to play and don't like trading, stick to standard, never build with gear you don't already have, don't pay much attention to what the other players are doing and you'll be fine.