Feedback from a PoE player who started playing D3 again

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IceM написал:

Seriously The core group here running feedback and the rest of the forum need to realize that you are only hurting the game with bashing every complaint and sweeping it under the rug.

Bingo.

You don't earn brownie points by brown-nosing the developers. Things that are legitimately driving players away and mechanics that are legitimately unfair should be called out. Trolling these legitimate criticisms only ensures the game gets worse. Heaven forbid people use the feedback forum to give feedback to the game.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as OP.
I am surely missing picking all the whites, and the gambling to try to make em usable. Missing trying different builds in PoE and finding out they're bad after 20-30 hours. It certainly takes a long, well-spent time to master the art of picking the most life nodes from the skill tree in this game. What's up with being able to change the build whenever u want in that D3 crap, lol.
For sure will miss the wonderful trading and the 1% elite traders/botters who control the PoE's economy. If PoE needs something to make it a better trading game, for sure it's a RMAH. That will certainly attract all the trading/botting community from D3, now jobless.
And also who could forget the wonderful 1 shot mechanics, and the felling of joy when you get one-shot. Everyone will be so happy when Invasion bosses will be available in all leagues.
And while some haters didn't like desync, I think it added a positive element to the combat, with u or the mobs jumping randomly on your screen.
Now I can't stop playing that D3 crap. I think is something in having actual upgrades dropping that suck u in. Please stay away, u may get infected.

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KarraKurri написал:

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Wittgenstein написал:

I think D3 is just as 'deep' as PoE - whatever that means exactly considering in both games you'll end up using the same few number of builds per class. You can switch builds on the fly in D3 or you can level up 3 different Templar's in PoE, but the result is the same, one just took a lot longer than the other. Regarding itemization, I think D3 has done some fantastic things with it that really remind of me of the keystones from PoE. In PoE you pick a node that adds something special to your class, and in D3 you find legendries that give you interesting properties.

The people who burn through D3 and rush paragon levels will leave and come to PoE, and when they arrive they'll blow through levels and grind maps and then come to the forums to complain about how there isn't anything left to do, that the RNG sucks, and that crafting is atrocious.

I disagree with every word but i will dont waste energy for another post about D3. Its not worth it. Sugarcoated shit is still shit. TBH D3 RoS/2.0 is even worse than vanilla and will bleed players even faster (die to EXTREME instant gratification and casual design). Also...adding characteer farting procs is not fixing the itemization in HnS game - mechanicalle is now even less complex and more boring than before (die to primary/secondary stats and 100% 'wow-like' linear progression design/power creep in RoS).

Well, I am not trying to start a D3/PoE war or anything but go visit the D3 forums and see what people think about 2.0 lots of folks aren't finding items and gear progression drops off once you start running T3+. Now, how is that any different from PoE? You hit a wall in PoE and you grind for gear, no different.

You said that the game doesn't challenge you intellectually. Well, what aspect of PoE do you find so deep and mysterious? Its all numbers, just like D3. The webs complexity and seeming openness are illusory, look up optimal builds and they take the same paths with the same keystones and the same items/skills. The only difference between the games is that PoE takes MUCH longer to hit the wall then D3 does. Still, at the end of the day its up to the player about whether or not she wants to climb that wall and *that* is the big difference to me between the 2 games, because in PoE, I hit the wall so often I just say fuck it.

D3 isn't the perfect game. PoE does some things much better, for example the amount of runes (mod gems) we get to play around with. If D3 had 2x the number of runes though and the exact same gameplay, more MOBA like, I wonder if people would like it more.

As a note on the depth of one game versus another, and the confusion that seems to stem from people thinking that complexity = depth

I have to recommend this video and I personally agree with it
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/depth-vs.-complexity

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Moosifer написал:

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allbusiness написал:

1) Gating everything behind RNG is extremely bad design, and only demonstrates that you are not confident that your game as a whole doesn't match-up versus other games. And in truth, various gameplay systems of Path of Exile does not match up against ARPG games. The only thing it has going for it is the illusion of choice.

It's bad designed to you. I, and many people have never had an issue with it. Live and die by RNG, can't have the excitement without disappointment. You don't have to enjoy it and there are many options for you to play if you don't, in fact gaming in general seems to be going this direction and it bores me. I like underdogs winning, I like the hail mary pass working, it's why I loved poker and was never interested in shit like MOBAs.

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2) If you want people to stick around you get them to reroll characters, not make them play a character till their eyes bleed in order to become a destructive force, which is essentially most people's goal in an ARPG.

People do reroll, go look at the class forums, many different builds, people asking for advice on their builds and new attempts at old favorites.

The last sentence is confusing, they shouldn't play one character but that's their goal? WTF? I feel POE does both well as I reroll often and I've stuck to a few builds for months at a time.

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3)Having a system like D3 wouldn't ruin the game if people were encouraged to reroll by actually finding items on a regular basis. This is the most unsound logic that I have ever seen by people who don't want increased loot drops.

D3 system has a short shelf life. Again, if you enjoy it, go play it. No reason POE has to copy that aspect as I've explained a couple times now, different objectives for each game, makes little sense to use one philosophy for the other game.

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4) I hate when people say Path of Exile is challenging. Path of Exile is bullshit. It's difficult, not challenging. There's a massive difference.

You keep looking at everything very shallow. Are MOBAs challenging in within themselves? No, they are challenging because of player competition. If you aren't racing the game isn't challenging. There's also content that is purposely overturned, if you take a well built build in good gear of course it's easy but if you challenge yourself to take off builds, especially in an unforgiving situation like HC, the game is challenging.

You see it black and white and really the game is as challenging as you make it unlike many games where you has to go out of your way to gimp yourself to feel the same difficulty.

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It is like Path of Exile has an AH, and balances drops around said AH. It doesn't make any sense at all. No one is saying make every white mob a loot exploding chest, but you have a serious issue when not very many people are rerolling even in standard let alone any of the temporary leagues.

I'm a standard player, people reroll all the time. Stop making shit up and pigeonholing other things to support your argument. You don't enjoy the game, we get it, you've said your peace now move on. I don't get why you guys stick around. You have a CB tag yet, what almost 2 years later, you're here complaining? I don't understand you guys, seriously.

Because the game has serious potential but keeps getting led astray simply due to a combination of poor balance testing, bad design choices, and people putting bad ideas in GGG's heads.

Game is not 'challenging.' Challenging would mean that the player has a fair chance of actually beating the game through skill with minimal to no gear checks. That is clearly not the case in Path of Exile. It is 80% gear check, 20% skill (or really knowledge of mechanics).


People 'reroll' all the time? What? Maybe the absurdly rich players reroll, but not everyone can afford to bank roll multiple characters that are capable of doing end game, especially when some of the more interesting builds cost several worth exalts.


And gating content after content behind RNG is piss poor design. It leaves mostly everything to chance and time investment, neither which is a determinant of skill. There's a reason why people prefer playing certain kinds of poker, because in certain types of poker, skill is highly valued and luck is minimized greatly.


I just don't understand how you can say that people would get bored with the game if there is so much apparent build variety if you allowed people to get more drops. It pretty makes 0 sense. If you are so sure that Path of Exile has tons of build variety (which I'd argue it doesn't) then you shouldn't have a problem increasing the drop rate, as at the very minimum people have potential to roll 20+ characters (at least if the build variety is truly there).

In Ambush league for instance, plenty of people reroll because getting items/currency isn't dumb as fuck. There's such a massive amount of currency flowing around nearly everyone is capable of affording most things, unless it's a BiS item. And yet, people run like the same 6-8 optimal builds, especially when you start getting into higher level maps.

All I know is that people who do nothing but complain need to move on and play something else. It makes absolutely no sense to play PoE and then come to the forums and do nothing at all except Bitch. I don't sugar coat my feedback either but I also make other posts besides constantly whining that the game isn't perfect.

The OP simply needs to stay in the D3 forums, there is no reason at all for him to be over here since what he wants in PoE is for the core game to change into D3 which will never ever happen.

If d3 would have kept to original rune system I too would still play it. But its massive failure at completely changing the diablo style i fell in love with years and years ago and the fact that ALL CLASSES in their obviously different base, Are exactly the same just ruined it for me. The game is also too easy, My 6 yr old steamrolls endgame by button mashing.

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ShaeG написал:

If d3 would have kept to original rune system I too would still play it. But its massive failure at completely changing the diablo style i fell in love with years and years ago and the fact that ALL CLASSES in their obviously different base, Are exactly the same just ruined it for me. The game is also too easy, My 6 yr old steamrolls endgame by button mashing.

I think every complaint about D3 really boils down to the fact that it wasn't a finished product in the least. It felt like a thrown together beta that cost $60 and everyone expected to be somewhat finished.

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iamstryker написал:

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ShaeG написал:

If d3 would have kept to original rune system I too would still play it. But its massive failure at completely changing the diablo style i fell in love with years and years ago and the fact that ALL CLASSES in their obviously different base, Are exactly the same just ruined it for me. The game is also too easy, My 6 yr old steamrolls endgame by button mashing.

I think every complaint about D3 really boils down to the fact that it wasn't a finished product in the least. It felt like a thrown together beta that cost $60 and everyone expected to be somewhat finished.

Lol PVP is still not their haha.