Dear Rory

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TheAnuhart написал:

You no longer have ES.
You ONLY increase your eHP if you go MoM or cloak.
To get the increased eHP you give up on stacking auras.


So let's see,

Points
ES
Offensive auras
Defensive auras

Totally no investment.
The majority of builds I played would never even consider EB.
Those who did, took it to convert ES into mana for the purpose of stacking more offensive auras and mana regen.

Not once did a spell caster of mine take EB.
Not once did I wear CoD.
NOT ONCE DID I PLAY FIRE TRAP OR FLAMEBLAST.

EB was never broken, at least not until beta 2.0.0.

Except basically everyone that took EB ended up getting MoM or using CoD....

The only other reason to use EB was simply just to increase your mana pool, so you can run a higher level AA or cast extremely mana heavy cost spells.

Points especially as few as 4 total including the keystone is hardly an investment, especially considering what you get out of it.

ES is pointless unless you are going a hybrid build and planning around it otherwise its just as good, if not better being converted to increasing your mana pool.

What offensive auras are you talking about, what defensive ones, just because you run EB doesn't mean you HAVE TO run discipline, actually quite a few builds didn't and it wasn't necessary.

From what I understand of the builds you play it doesn't matter if you think they would have grabbed eb, actually if you've never used it or don't plan to use it why do you even care its being changed? You are just arguing to argue, especially if its against something I said...

COOL you never played one of the most broken budget builds in the game, never used the OP spells that could clear the whole screen by throwing some traps or channeling some blast and you have the courage to post and say EB wasn't broken in combination with everything else those builds used it with? You really have some nerve don't you.

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check buids of people that actually use EB/MoM/AA and you'll see the investment is far from null, as TheAnuhart stated

4 skill tree points including getting the keystone is not investment at all, its converting something that is useless for life based casters into something that is useful with 0 penalty, paired with the rest of everything else and it provided too much for its extremely small cost.

Yeah increasing your EHP by 30% is total shit, being able to run high level AA is total shit, never having to worry about mana issues is total shit. You are arguing along the same lines that he did and hes NEVER played the build or used the mechanics before at all...

I will say though you always want more layers if you can get them, cwdt, ic, ec, ect was all used by pretty much every build that had the sockets, in regards to block\spell block that is also an option but neither are required and the fact that there is a shield thats perfect for spell block\block\damage\life and provides good es makes your whole "i gotta get another defense too" point completely mute.



Every single build ever has to invest into multiple forms of defenses to say that EB was not overpowered because you wanted as many defensive options as possible is like saying the old acro wasn't overpowered when it fully worked with block....

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torturo написал:

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Panini_aux_olives написал:

I would add that EB/MoM/AA alone is total shit as defense mechanic, you need another layer on top of it.

The truth.
Needs further investments.
OR playing exclusively in a party.

No need to argue just look at uber down thread. no one uses mom maybe 1 DD build who clear shit while out of the room basically same with SRS. Anything face tanking or channeling DPS builds dumps that middleware for CI, LL or Max block, max eva, or LC over resits.

never was OP. Just accessible to atziri 1.0 ez.

Instead of buying t1 mana and t1 regen every slot which is hella expensive you just need a little es here little mana there little regen over there making it cheap.

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goetzjam написал:

Except basically everyone that took EB ended up getting MoM or using CoD....

The only other reason to use EB was simply just to increase your mana pool, so you can run a higher level AA or cast extremely mana heavy cost spells.

What do you mean "the only other reason", there are plenty of things you can do with a larger mana pool that have nothing to do with MoM or AA. I used EB on my melee Discharger to save skill points that would've otherwise gone to mana nodes. And I ran AA on my Trapper without using EB at all. As I see it, you've got nothing but confirmation bias to back up your bullshit.

ITT Goetz repeatedly posts evidence that EB wasn't broken but Fire Trap, Flameblast prolif etc were, such that they didn't need to utilise mana reserve with auras and heralds, could take EB with CoD and run high AA, which with high fire res completely removed reflect, could level fast, clear fast and win league races without much competition from other builds. The builds were even synergistic with all 4 EXP pieces and could still do insane clearing with no danger. That wasn't broken EB.

Competitive players and sheep flocked around EB/MoM/AA, wait, no, they flocked around fire prolif builds which happened to be synergistic with EB.

You are effectively agreeing with the people you are arguing with. You give the same evidence, use the same examples, show how 1 + 1 = 2. But then summarise with 1 + 1 = potato.



Goetz.
Do you even read what you write?

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The only other reason to use EB was simply just to increase your mana pool

Well, duhhh!!!

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TheAnuhart написал:

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The only other reason to use EB was simply just to increase your mana pool

Well, duhhh!!!

And it's OP even for that. I played a totemist in last league and had to invest lot of points into mana and regen, roll mana on most of my gear, use phys to light and added chaos instead of conc-iAoE and skimp on auras a bit to have enough mana left to spit out two totems and a curse.

I think it's good, high initial cost per encounter is the main resource problem a totemist has, that's something you must overcome. And all that could have been solved with one measly point to get a cheesy keystone.

With the new change to AA this thread title should be changed to "Dear Rory and Qarl"