Been playing d3 last few days and id like to say this..

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M_Ronin написал:
Sorry for double post.
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deathflower написал:
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M_Ronin написал:
Diablo 3 is so bad even more than half of people writing on blizzard forums bash it. Everything blizzard has produced after WoW (including WoW) is about milking money.

Never change PoE! Never change GGG! It is an Oasis in the desert!


I wonder why people think blizzard activision need D3 when they have WoW and Hearthstone. D3 is just collateral damage.

I did not play WoW. But I played Hearthstone, and I can tell you that; Diablo 3's flaws are just much more visible and known. It is possibly because a lot of those who played Diablo 3, played it because of Diablo 2. And the two just do not compare. AT ALL. However The same money-grabbing, brainless consumer tricking attitude is also present in every work of Blizzard. It is just harder (but not much harder) to spot.

In Hearthstone, you can see the lame money-grabbing attitude as well. Promote braindead gamestyle with OP as fuck cards. Promote decks that can be played by a monkey. Also don't forget to nerf the previous OP card (after 6 months) so people buy the new OP card. Happy winterveiiils hohoho. Offer them to buy 50 packs with only 49.99$ dollars this christmas! Gifts for everyone!

When a major update happens, the servers freeze; because refuse to pay for extra servers during expansion launch.
Ah also I forgot to say: Reply to straw complaints, so customers will confuse them with justified complaints. Keep the retarded consumers satisfied so they buy more content in the future. Call all of this "fun". Those who are too stupid to figure out mtg mechanics probably play it.

The simple fact of hearthstone: The secret paladin is a deck that can literally be played by a bot and achieve 60% winrate on ladder (true story).
Every card they print with a purpose in mind, fail horribly. Is this card supposed to counter aggro? It loses to aggro. Is this card supposed to slow down the meta? Too bad it's a worthless piece of shit from usefelnessia. Is this card supposed to buff control decks? Too bad you can only play it on turn 9 for minimal gain, but oh you are dead on turn 6 lol. Hmm that 4 mana cost minion surely looks interesting, too bad it is still garbage compared to 4 mana piloted shredder which is better than most 5 mana drops and some 6 drops anyway. LOL.

I did not play WoW. But looking at the bits of story here and there. I can say it's just the same pleb shit. Recycle used characters from Warcraft lore. Resurrect them even if it fucks up lore, a process which gives them personality changes too obviously. Mal'ganis, a cold and calm villain in Warcaft 3 appears (out of the blue) and YELLS "I AAAAM MAL'GANISSS! I AM ETERNAAAAAL! AND THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVEEER!"

Popular, popular, it rhymes with dollar!


Games nowadays cost so much money to make, I don't see why it isn't the top priority especially to these multi billion dollar companies. Making fun games sound fine and dandy but unless you are making a profit you aren't gonna be doing it for long.


Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 were some of the worst optimized games ever on release.

BlizzardActivision is one of the worst and most overhyped devs out there. If any regular sized gaming studio would've made hearthstone under a different name but same gameplay mechanics it wouldn't even manage to hold 100 players.

Blizzard mostly sells their games because it's Blizzard.

The main issue I have with Blizzard is how incapable they are in making a game story that doesn't have huge gaping plott holes in it or just doesn't make much sense. This wasn't the case with their earlier games which I played when I was pretty young. Diablo 2 , Warcraft 3 were very good games. Even world of warcraft was very good until halfway through their second expansion.

Also how can a game developper earn 1.5 billion annually in the form of a subscription program yet only manage to get out 1 significant content update to that game (WoW)? And players even buy their ridiculously priced expansion packs for 45 euro each.

I really don't like the return that Blizzard gives for what it gets in terms of money.
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M_Ronin написал:
Sorry for double post.
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deathflower написал:
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M_Ronin написал:
Diablo 3 is so bad even more than half of people writing on blizzard forums bash it. Everything blizzard has produced after WoW (including WoW) is about milking money.

Never change PoE! Never change GGG! It is an Oasis in the desert!


I wonder why people think blizzard activision need D3 when they have WoW and Hearthstone. D3 is just collateral damage.

I did not play WoW. But I played Hearthstone, and I can tell you that; Diablo 3's flaws are just much more visible and known. It is possibly because a lot of those who played Diablo 3, played it because of Diablo 2. And the two just do not compare. AT ALL. However The same money-grabbing, brainless consumer tricking attitude is also present in every work of Blizzard. It is just harder (but not much harder) to spot.

In Hearthstone, you can see the lame money-grabbing attitude as well. Promote braindead gamestyle with OP as fuck cards. Promote decks that can be played by a monkey. Also don't forget to nerf the previous OP card (after 6 months) so people buy the new OP card. Happy winterveiiils hohoho. Offer them to buy 50 packs with only 49.99$ dollars this christmas! Gifts for everyone!

When a major update happens, the servers freeze; because refuse to pay for extra servers during expansion launch.
Ah also I forgot to say: Reply to straw complaints, so customers will confuse them with justified complaints. Keep the retarded consumers satisfied so they buy more content in the future. Call all of this "fun". Those who are too stupid to figure out mtg mechanics probably play it.

The simple fact of hearthstone: The secret paladin is a deck that can literally be played by a bot and achieve 60% winrate on ladder (true story).
Every card they print with a purpose in mind, fail horribly. Is this card supposed to counter aggro? It loses to aggro. Is this card supposed to slow down the meta? Too bad it's a worthless piece of shit from usefelnessia. Is this card supposed to buff control decks? Too bad you can only play it on turn 9 for minimal gain, but oh you are dead on turn 6 lol. Hmm that 4 mana cost minion surely looks interesting, too bad it is still garbage compared to 4 mana piloted shredder which is better than most 5 mana drops and some 6 drops anyway. LOL.

I did not play WoW. But looking at the bits of story here and there. I can say it's just the same pleb shit. Recycle used characters from Warcraft lore. Resurrect them even if it fucks up lore, a process which gives them personality changes too obviously. Mal'ganis, a cold and calm villain in Warcaft 3 appears (out of the blue) and YELLS "I AAAAM MAL'GANISSS! I AM ETERNAAAAAL! AND THIS MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVEEER!"

Popular, popular, it rhymes with dollar!


Mal'Ganis popping up out of nowhere would've maked more sense than most of mists of pandaria. Warlords of Draenor has also gaping holes in it with the time travel stuff. Cataclysm was just lame (Deathwing? He was already dead...).

But WoW has more money grabbing techniques. In the past they used to release content in weeks. Like you get 2 bosses released in 1 week, then the following 2, then the following 2 and then the last boss. These were schemes so people would stay subscribed.

Then they decided somewhere halfway in wrath of the lich king to make end game content more accessible for the majority of players. You would think that is great, however the way it was implemented with raid finders and dungeon finders killed most of the interaction you would have in a game. The current state of WoW is nothing like how it used to be. It's just going online, if you have a guild raid or otherwise stand in town and do nothing.

In 10 years off their product they actually managed to make pvp experience significantly worse than from when their game launched. That's quite an achievement.
Yeah would be nice if the sellouts like Acti-Blizz could just give all their funds to companies that actually care like GGG :/


Like... the games feel nice because their engine is great and they have fantastic artists but everything else is just so blech.
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hey look a legitimate thread turned into a D3 bashing thread. i am shocked here.

D3 isn't that bad, it is just targeting a different audience and we just have to face the fact that we are not that audience.


That being said, i do wish GGG had blizz money so we could get a better engine....
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Sogolon написал:
Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 were some of the worst optimized games ever on release.

BlizzardActivision is one of the worst and most overhyped devs out there. If any regular sized gaming studio would've made hearthstone under a different name but same gameplay mechanics it wouldn't even manage to hold 100 players.

Blizzard mostly sells their games because it's Blizzard.

The main issue I have with Blizzard is how incapable they are in making a game story that doesn't have huge gaping plott holes in it or just doesn't make much sense. This wasn't the case with their earlier games which I played when I was pretty young. Diablo 2 , Warcraft 3 were very good games. Even world of warcraft was very good until halfway through their second expansion.

Also how can a game developper earn 1.5 billion annually in the form of a subscription program yet only manage to get out 1 significant content update to that game (WoW)? And players even buy their ridiculously priced expansion packs for 45 euro each.

I really don't like the return that Blizzard gives for what it gets in terms of money.


Blizzard Activision is like McDonalds. They make good games that sell, they just don't make great games that people wish they would make that cost so much to develop that it doesn't even breakeven. They make a variety of good games that is accessible. Their game wouldn't be possible without mass market appeal. What do people expect when you need to make lot of money, push it out of production line in a limited time and sell it to a lot of people? Certain aspect will need to be compromised. It is good value for your money, it is convenient, it is accessible.

GGG does it in another way. They make burgers, they are trying to make the best beef burger. But there is no choices in their burgers, they only make beef burgers and nothing else. They don't even sell fries or drinks. They only have burgers. They work on what they do best. POE is rather successful. I guess that works too.

GGG has its own flaws. I don't see GGG as being better but rather they are just different. If you ask GGG to make hearthstone under a different name, they might just flop.

GGG could possibly get more money if they wanted to. I would assume they would rather not, money doesn't come for free. I would think GGG would lose their independent and control, and would have listen to investors and shareholders terribly bad ideas to monetize their game.


I actually agree with the OP.

Diablo 3 is the most fluid action RPG that I ever played. The problem is, there is no economy. Farming is pointless. They literally removed trading which was a huge deal with diablo (d2jsp is just a testament at how big that market is for aRPG's).

The thing about POE is, it's just different and has its own art style and gameplay. Which is something I really love. And plus, the economy is very, very appealing. Farming for items and finding that exalted orb that makes you feel rich is something diablo 3 doesn't offer anymore (or never really did). You can farm 24/7 and get 123213 veiled crystals and you feel like you've done nothing. If I farmed 10 exalts in under a week worth of currency on path of exile, I feel like I've spent my time doing something beneficial and feel like I am advancing in the game. I also feel like I can buy other items to help with character progression. Again, this is not available in Diablo 3.

Obviously this is just one reason out of a hundred, but it's a big enough reason for me to play POE over Diablo 3.

I'm going to be brutally honest. If Diablo 3 did infact add trading, I wouldn't be on POE. I'd be playing the living shit out of Diablo 3 just like how I did on Diablo 2 and (right now on POE).

Just my honest opinion on this topic

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Последняя редакция: monkuar#2123. Время: 22 дек. 2015 г., 07:43:43
Smoothness was one of the huge turn offs for me when playing the PoE beta whenever when that was.

I come and go a lot, I don't even know most of the basics, let alone anything advanced. I just yolo solo hardcore from time to time until I get bored of dying.

PoE now feels very smooth, I haven't played D3 for almost a year now but I don't think there is much of a difference in smoothness between the two game engines anymore.

D3 will always feel like a console port to me though, PoE is a vastly better PC title.
I 1000000% agree. If PoE had the silky smooth combat animations and server performance of D3 it would be the game of the century.
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Sogolon написал:
Sorry for double post.
Mal'Ganis popping up out of nowhere would've maked more sense than most of mists of pandaria. Warlords of Draenor has also gaping holes in it with the time travel stuff. Cataclysm was just lame (Deathwing? He was already dead...).

But WoW has more money grabbing techniques. In the past they used to release content in weeks. Like you get 2 bosses released in 1 week, then the following 2, then the following 2 and then the last boss. These were schemes so people would stay subscribed.

Then they decided somewhere halfway in wrath of the lich king to make end game content more accessible for the majority of players. You would think that is great, however the way it was implemented with raid finders and dungeon finders killed most of the interaction you would have in a game. The current state of WoW is nothing like how it used to be. It's just going online, if you have a guild raid or otherwise stand in town and do nothing.

In 10 years off their product they actually managed to make pvp experience significantly worse than from when their game launched. That's quite an achievement.

I don't really know of WoW much to be honest. Never really played it. I only know that it's story is butchered, and same old stuff is recycled into use. Which is really a sign of lazy storytelling, as it's a lazy trick used in TV shows, video-games, movies etcetera. It means the author is unable to create new interesting characters, events etc. Well, most of the time.

What I know is, blizzard has the capacity to sabotage their own game. So, I can confirm. It's not even producing good burgers anymore. It's reaping the fruits of their earlier successes and making people unable to leave due to the sunk cost fallacy they have gotten themselves into. Also, whoever made that burgers anology has gotten my disgust. Of all the food there to come up with, you choosed burgers? Really?
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