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sidtherat написал:
with instant leech people do not really need to worry about defences. the Sponge build is just that - buffer + instant leech
and the only way to kill The Sponge is one-shot of absurd proportions. we do like one-shots dont we?
one-shot meta is a product of vaal pact being in the game. try to replicate tanking Shaper without instant leech.
if we nerf BV we will get yet another meta skill with no-brain needed and all the damage in the world. and it will be the same.
kill Vaal Pact. kill it with fire. it would open SO MANY currently impossible gamedesign spaces.. and free us from the bullshit we've all just seen linked in the OP.
you can replicate that with very fast attack skill (replacing BV), you can replicate it with enough leech from the tree/items (replacing Vinktars) but you cannot replicate it without vaal pact.
You absolutely can replicate it without vaal pact. There's instant leech from legacy vinktar, bloodseeker, and acuity (and you can do silly things like stack 100% life leech from berserker with acuity or bloodseeker). There's LGOH stacking with many triggers.
And, even more powerful but not meta yet, is the extreme health you can gain from zerphi's last breath builds (no leech required).
should have said without instant leech (made it clear in my first post that i consider all sources of it as a whole)
and you cannot do that without instant leech. the instant leech is what most if not all broken builds of past had in common. it helped against reflect but it is the 'get enough buffer and dakka' that made cheeze possible. only oneshots can kill Sponge builds and this is why we all habe to build tanks or simply avoid certain content as non-insta-leechers
bloodseeker is.. sure. if that was the only source of instant leech it would have been still 1c item. flask? i like that flask. but it is a flask and flasks can fail.
instant leech is the reason why we have out beloved one shots. and it is a cancer that kills build diversity step by step.
cocs has been put down. now it is time that vaal pact and other sources of instant leech get some real downside (life regen is not a downside, dont be silly).
pathfinder is yet another issue - it gives (yet again!!) bonus to crit builds. but remove instant leech and most of the dumb builds are gone and game is in much diverse shape. you can tone down damage and suddenly one shots are not that idiotic and more than 4 builds can kill endgame bosses.
it is impossible as long the instant leech is in the game.
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Сообщениеsidtherat#131016 сент. 2016 г., 05:40:21
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Vhlad написал:
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sidtherat написал:
with instant leech people do not really need to worry about defences. the Sponge build is just that - buffer + instant leech
and the only way to kill The Sponge is one-shot of absurd proportions. we do like one-shots dont we?
one-shot meta is a product of vaal pact being in the game. try to replicate tanking Shaper without instant leech.
if we nerf BV we will get yet another meta skill with no-brain needed and all the damage in the world. and it will be the same.
kill Vaal Pact. kill it with fire. it would open SO MANY currently impossible gamedesign spaces.. and free us from the bullshit we've all just seen linked in the OP.
you can replicate that with very fast attack skill (replacing BV), you can replicate it with enough leech from the tree/items (replacing Vinktars) but you cannot replicate it without vaal pact.
You absolutely can replicate it without vaal pact. There's instant leech from legacy vinktar, bloodseeker, and acuity (and you can do silly things like stack 100% life leech from berserker with acuity or bloodseeker). There's LGOH stacking with many triggers.
And, even more powerful but not meta yet, is the extreme health you can gain from zerphi's last breath builds (no leech required).
should have said without instant leech (made it clear in my first post that i consider all sources of it as a whole)
and you cannot do that without instant leech. the instant leech is what most if not all broken builds of past had in common. it helped against reflect but it is the 'get enough buffer and dakka' that made cheeze possible. only oneshots can kill Sponge builds and this is why we all habe to build tanks or simply avoid certain content as non-insta-leechers
bloodseeker is.. sure. if that was the only source of instant leech it would have been still 1c item. flask? i like that flask. but it is a flask and flasks can fail.
instant leech is the reason why we have out beloved one shots. and it is a cancer that kills build diversity step by step.
cocs has been put down. now it is time that vaal pact and other sources of instant leech get some real downside (life regen is not a downside, dont be silly).
pathfinder is yet another issue - it gives (yet again!!) bonus to crit builds. but remove instant leech and most of the dumb builds are gone and game is in much diverse shape. you can tone down damage and suddenly one shots are not that idiotic and more than 4 builds can kill endgame bosses.
it is impossible as long the instant leech is in the game.
Ghost Reaver/Vaal Pact combo was put into the game because CI for a very long time prior to that actually was pretty awful. The problem isn't Vaal Pact at all, the problem is that GGG introduced way too many ways for CI/LL builds to overcome the weaknesses of stun and freeze, essentially making them free giant HP sponge builds without any kind of downside.
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Сообщениеallbusiness#605016 сент. 2016 г., 07:08:15
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VP is a metaphor for the entire game
IGN: Victory_Or_Sovngarde
It's not a 13 week development cycle, it's a 13 week supporter-pack cycle.
You can play any build you want, as long as it's the current meta.
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To be honest guys BV is somewhat "fine" if you talk about skillfully kill a boss you can also drop Warchief Totems which is called "melee" theese days and watch him die, such fun.
Pathfinder is a problem, well, flasks are a problem it's not a secret that flasks are opopie as fuck especially with Pathfinder. But the game is basically designed around flasks and or insta leech
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Сообщениеc0refreAk#287416 сент. 2016 г., 08:14:39
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I agree that instant leech is the major problem.
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СообщениеYesu#130816 сент. 2016 г., 08:19:54
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I agree that instant leech is the major problem.
True that the problem is, especially when you play BV where you HAVE TO facetank a boss, how do you want to do that if you cant leech fast enough? You will get destroyed 100%
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Сообщениеc0refreAk#287416 сент. 2016 г., 08:21:55
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Yesu написал:
I agree that instant leech is the major problem.
True that the problem is, especially when you play BV where you HAVE TO facetank a boss, how do you want to do that if you cant leech fast enough? You will get destroyed 100%
In addition HE HITS VERY VERY hard like if you can't leech fast enough you are obviously going to die. End game in general ALL bosses hurt like you have no fucking clue the amount of gear you to need do those reds mainly t16's they hurt so fucking bad.
Yeah you try tanking a beam of death with shitty gear it isn't going to happen.
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СообщениеCoconutdoggy#180516 сент. 2016 г., 08:28:26
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tanking ray of death shouldnt be possible!
you should avoid it. combat it with position and wit - not with dakka + instant leech
and bosses hit that hard BECAUSE instant leech exists. is that too difficult to understand?
the entire crappy endgame 1shot experience is caused by this one mechanic - instant leech. ggg had such a great idea with heal over time flasks and leech. but 'i know.. let us just ruin it all and introduce an option with laughable downside and pretend it is skill'
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Сообщениеsidtherat#131016 сент. 2016 г., 08:45:33
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Somehow I have a strong feeling that despite everything Blade Vortex meta will live for years, like CoC, Frost Wall and Bladefall Mines did. Instead Warchief is gonna get butchered to the ground Q_Q
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СообщениеSunL4D2#622416 сент. 2016 г., 08:56:05
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It would indeed be easier to balance bosses damages without instant leech option in the equation.
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СообщениеYesu#130816 сент. 2016 г., 08:57:12
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