Blade Vortex vs Shaper (Guess who was utterly destroyed in that fight?)

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Vhlad написал:

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sidtherat написал:

with instant leech people do not really need to worry about defences. the Sponge build is just that - buffer + instant leech

and the only way to kill The Sponge is one-shot of absurd proportions. we do like one-shots dont we?

one-shot meta is a product of vaal pact being in the game. try to replicate tanking Shaper without instant leech.

if we nerf BV we will get yet another meta skill with no-brain needed and all the damage in the world. and it will be the same.

kill Vaal Pact. kill it with fire. it would open SO MANY currently impossible gamedesign spaces.. and free us from the bullshit we've all just seen linked in the OP.

you can replicate that with very fast attack skill (replacing BV), you can replicate it with enough leech from the tree/items (replacing Vinktars) but you cannot replicate it without vaal pact.

You absolutely can replicate it without vaal pact. There's instant leech from legacy vinktar, bloodseeker, and acuity (and you can do silly things like stack 100% life leech from berserker with acuity or bloodseeker). There's LGOH stacking with many triggers.

And, even more powerful but not meta yet, is the extreme health you can gain from zerphi's last breath builds (no leech required).

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sidtherat написал:

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Vhlad написал:

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sidtherat написал:

with instant leech people do not really need to worry about defences. the Sponge build is just that - buffer + instant leech

and the only way to kill The Sponge is one-shot of absurd proportions. we do like one-shots dont we?

one-shot meta is a product of vaal pact being in the game. try to replicate tanking Shaper without instant leech.

if we nerf BV we will get yet another meta skill with no-brain needed and all the damage in the world. and it will be the same.

kill Vaal Pact. kill it with fire. it would open SO MANY currently impossible gamedesign spaces.. and free us from the bullshit we've all just seen linked in the OP.

you can replicate that with very fast attack skill (replacing BV), you can replicate it with enough leech from the tree/items (replacing Vinktars) but you cannot replicate it without vaal pact.

You absolutely can replicate it without vaal pact. There's instant leech from legacy vinktar, bloodseeker, and acuity (and you can do silly things like stack 100% life leech from berserker with acuity or bloodseeker). There's LGOH stacking with many triggers.

And, even more powerful but not meta yet, is the extreme health you can gain from zerphi's last breath builds (no leech required).

should have said without instant leech (made it clear in my first post that i consider all sources of it as a whole)

and you cannot do that without instant leech. the instant leech is what most if not all broken builds of past had in common. it helped against reflect but it is the 'get enough buffer and dakka' that made cheeze possible. only oneshots can kill Sponge builds and this is why we all habe to build tanks or simply avoid certain content as non-insta-leechers

bloodseeker is.. sure. if that was the only source of instant leech it would have been still 1c item. flask? i like that flask. but it is a flask and flasks can fail.

instant leech is the reason why we have out beloved one shots. and it is a cancer that kills build diversity step by step.

cocs has been put down. now it is time that vaal pact and other sources of instant leech get some real downside (life regen is not a downside, dont be silly).

pathfinder is yet another issue - it gives (yet again!!) bonus to crit builds. but remove instant leech and most of the dumb builds are gone and game is in much diverse shape. you can tone down damage and suddenly one shots are not that idiotic and more than 4 builds can kill endgame bosses.

it is impossible as long the instant leech is in the game.

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Yesu написал:

I agree that instant leech is the major problem.

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c0refreAk написал:

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Yesu написал:

I agree that instant leech is the major problem.

True that the problem is, especially when you play BV where you HAVE TO facetank a boss, how do you want to do that if you cant leech fast enough? You will get destroyed 100%