Bad mechanics and player retention -core mechanics that need a major rework

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Sure_K4y написал:

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Snorkle_uk написал:

it really doesnt, people are hitting lvl100 in solo self found hardcore, at what point do you look at whats being done and take on board the idea that maybe youre doing something wrong?

I'm close to betting my favourite pair of high heels that this Tao-guy is either trolling, or lacks common sense, because I have no other explanation for all of this to be quite honest...

My honest opinion on this matter and I've said it earlier, I think POE appeal to old gamer mainly. People who played Diablo 1 and 2. Games back then were much more ruthless in many ways. So there's quite a few mechanics that old gamers enjoy and see in POE. But younger gamer, never really got into that and cannot understand the meaning or the need for those mechanics. It's beyond them completely. And in this case, I think it's a lot of.... this game is maybe not made from him.



wait you have high heels?

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Sure_K4y написал:

I'm close to betting my favourite pair of high heels that this Tao-guy is either trolling, or lacks common sense, because I have no other explanation for all of this to be quite honest...

My honest opinion on this matter and I've said it earlier, I think POE appeal to old gamer mainly. People who played Diablo 1 and 2. Games back then were much more ruthless in many ways. So there's quite a few mechanics that old gamers enjoy and see in POE. But younger gamer, never really got into that and cannot understand the meaning or the need for those mechanics. It's beyond them completely. And in this case, I think it's a lot of.... this game is maybe not made from him.

Well, I'm certainly not "old". I'm 24, so, yeah... I played diablo 2 as a kid a lot, but really though, I don't get why people complain about things being "unfair" instead of trying to think of a solution, or, you know, ask for help. The only cheap thing I can see here is people pushing the blame away from themselves onto the game.

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diablofdb написал:

wait you have high heels?

I am a woman. So, chances are I got some of those. Why do you ask?

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Sure_K4y написал:

Well, I'm certainly not "old". I'm 24, so, yeah... I played diablo 2 as a kid a lot, but really though, I don't get why people complain about things being "unfair" instead of trying to think of a solution, or, you know, ask for help. The only cheap thing I can see here is people pushing the blame away from themselves onto the game.

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diablofdb написал:

wait you have high heels?

I am a woman. So, chances are I got some of those. Why do you ask?

When I say old gamer I do not really mean old people but more, older gamers as people who have enjoyed games from previous generation. Gamers that are now adult.


And yes I was surprised about the high heels, I find it very rare to meet women playing ARPG in general. I actually sometime wonder how many women are playing Path of Exile. In overall I think it's great seeing more and more women getting into gaming now.

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diablofdb написал:

When I say old gamer I do not really mean old people but more, older gamers as people who have enjoyed games from previous generation. Gamers that are now adult.

Yeah, OK. That makes sense.

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diablofdb написал:

And yes I was surprised about the high heels, I find it very rare to meet women playing ARPG in general. I actually sometime wonder how many women are playing Path of Exile. In overall I think it's great seeing more and more women getting into gaming now.

Truth be told I have not "met" too many other females in POE up to this point. But I_NO, for instance is female afaik, then there's also Ceri, I believe. And some are on my friends-list in POE which I haven't listed here. So... Yay, we're in this too. ;-)

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Sure_K4y написал:

Truth be told I have not "met" too many other females in POE up to this point. But I_NO, for instance is female afaik, then there's also Ceri, I believe. And some are on my friends-list in POE which I haven't listed here. So... Yay, we're in this too. ;-)

It took me a really long time to realize I_NO was a girl, I really thought she was trolling.

and on a personal level, I think it's great seeing gamer girls, because sometime relationships were less interesting for me because I had nothing in common with the girls. And one day I had a girlfriend who I asked, "Hey what do you want to do today?" and she answered: " well how about we stay cozy at home and game the whole weekend?"

- success in life :3

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Sure_K4y написал:

Oh... Well, let's see if you actually spotted the real issues...



(in your opinion, mind you)



Life sucks, we all know. If you get stunlocked with an ES based build you don't know how this game is played. I have NEVER had a single solitary league in which I didn't find dozens "eye of chayulas", now there's valyrium too. Yeah, sorry, but no, ES getting stunlocked is an issue only noobs have.

Yes there is gear to deal with it. You obviously didn't pay attention to what I was saying. It is a bad mechanic. Having gear to counter it doesn't make it a good one. Like I said, ES already sacrifices other defenses.

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Which is why they're working on that subject. Before laying down ciriticism you might as well educate yourself for a bit instead of rambling about things that are already being considered on GGG's end. And WTF is an "uber build"? Is "uber build" a new euphemism for "I have learned to use a skill-tree-planner"?

Well I haven't heard anything on GGG's end other than the usual. If they are saying something new great! As far as Uber builds I mean the ones designed to exploit every combo or double dip in the game. Poison meta started this way, etc.

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Yeah... So? What's the problem? Max res is easy to get, even without trading. Another non-issue yet again.

Of course being able to take enough damage is mandatory, in path of builds/gear check. You're not telling anybody anything new here.


Getting 135% res (ignoring chaos) across the board is so easy there might as well only be chaos res to max, because of how easy it is. And yes, it's easy even without trading.


The immortal flesh belt is aperfect example of an item that simply didn't age well, while the game developed to what it is nowadays, and believe it or not, some uniques are not meant to be end-game options, they're intended for levelling, if anything.

That was not the point I was trying to make. From what I gather, when the game was originally made, max resistances were supposed to be a perk, rather than a bonus. Instead of addressing power creep, the game deals more damage. Max resistances are a must. Large health is a must. Yes these are both easy to get, and I have no problem getting them, but my point is that these are only two facets among a multitude of other elements of any character build. Instead of taking time to think about the issue, it seems GGG took the easy way out and bumped up damage. Immortal Flesh I use as an example to show how far things have slid. Yes it didn't age well, that is part of my point here. GGG lost sight of their original intent it seems.

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Yeah, if you pick the wrong base for the gems you want to use that is your fault. You didn't go with incandescent heart for fun, you went for it for lack of knowledge. You're too blame here, not GGG. The benches aren't bugged, the first sockets in line are always the ones you get coloured to your liking, the remaining ones get coloured according the base you're using. It is that simple. You are simply misinformed.

I know how the mechanics work. First off I said that having colours tied to attributes is a mechanic that doesn't have a place in the game at this stage. Sure that is debatable.

However the crafting on benches is indeed a bit buggy. That chest piece has much higher int than strength if you would take a look before making assumptions. However it rolled red slots much more often, far more than it should have.

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You love it, you hate it you love to hate it. But one thing you'r not gonna convince me of is that GGG needs to take shitty internet connections into account. This is an online only game.. You knew what you signed up for... Don't complain about an online game being tied to an online connection.

Of course you take the environment into account when you make any plan for a business. Look up "Porter's 5 forces" or a "P.E.S.T." analysis. This is why hardcore is optional. People wouldn't keep playing a game that has permanent character death on lag spike or disconnect.

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In summary I agree with nothing you wrote. And it's easy to see that you have no idea how this game works. Educate yourself, and make better choices in the future, or leave it behind and try your luck elsewhere. Your choice.

Well in the future I suggest you take the time to listen to what people have to say, rather than just rushing to the part where you can open your mouth. If you are rushing to crap all over something for the sake of crapping all over it then it isn't constructive and a waste of all of our time. Life is too short for that nonsense. Next time please meet the points I have made with arguments backed up with logic, not venom and condescension.

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diablofdb написал:

All your opinion..... but facts are game is getting more and more popular. And ascendancy was very succesful.

Game gets popular for another reason. And ascendancy as game mechanic has nothing to do with the labyrinth, except one interior object in final room that give 2 points to your character ONE TIME PER LABYRINTH.

I repeat my words: don't mess up.

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diablofdb написал:

Boom.... Fact vs emotions

There was not a single counter-argument. Try again.

you're the one coming up with no facts +


"game gets popular for another reason"..... not only you don't give the reason but..... just your opinion

You haven't cited any facts either. Like I said before neither of us have access to data showing the feelings of the player base. Best I can do at least it apply principles of game design to what I currently see (implying my opinion, naturally) happening in the game.

well we have access... you can check on steam and realize that at every launch POE is more and more popular... fact

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Snorkle_uk написал:

it really doesnt, people are hitting lvl100 in solo self found hardcore, at what point do you look at whats being done and take on board the idea that maybe youre doing something wrong?

I'm close to betting my favourite pair of high heels that this Tao-guy is either trolling, or lacks common sense, because I have no other explanation for all of this to be quite honest...

I think he's just new and has incorrect expectations about the game. Most of the original post was filled with false premises (GGG doesn't consider trading to be core to the game, game should not require you to look for information outside of it, game is intended to be casual/ignorant player friendly, high crafting costs are bad, you shouldn't be penalized for losing in standard leagues, etc.) so you can't really expect his conclusions to be correct either.

Other than "GGG doesn't consider trading to be a core part of the game" I didn't day any of that. Try again.

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diablofdb написал:

well we have access... you can check on steam and realize that at every launch POE is more and more popular... fact

Steam doesn't account for the POE player base. I am a tech mod on War Thunder and players pull Steam stats all of the time. The Steam stats don't closely follow the overall stats that the devs have. In statistics you need "a sufficiently random sample" to draw conclusions of the overall population. Steam is not a random sample as it is an entire market segment, and thus the behaviour of this segment is skewed in relation to the market as a whole.