NEED AUCTION HOUSE FFS

The xbox trade system still requires a confirmation on the sellers side, admit-tingly its done terribly so you often wont see a request to buy something. Its a terrible system and ggg act as if they are happy with it. Be very thankful you have a system that players have had a lot of input into.

This league i started buying my maps from the official trade site its much better only occasionally is something sold. Sure the lowest price often wont reply, but go down 8 or so in the listings and your golden.

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Pizzarugi написал:

GGG has made claims in the past which they later backed down on.

True, but not manifesto statements that are only about half a year old. They obviously gave the issue much thought, defined and outlined their strategy, and even went so far as to make an official post about it.

They're a much more mature company now, and much less likely to change direction on something like this.

The main issue will be financial, and the current system isn't losing them money, and a new (expensive) system wouldn't gain them any income. It is thus best for them to allocate their development resources to something that will...

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Pizzarugi написал:

I've seen videos of the Chinese trade market. Yeah, it's a clusterfuck, but it still has great potential for buying basic stuff like maps, uniques, flasks, and currency exchange. It would sure beat copy+pasting the same message to 5-10+ people just to play the game for an extra 5 or so minutes before doing it again.

Implementing easier trading for items that are 'used up while being used', like maps, would be much less damaging than a general AH. It would still require rebalancing, and there is SSF (whether formal SSF or not) to consider as well. It wouldn't be an easy task, and some player groups would probably suffer.

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Cyzax написал:

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Pizzarugi написал:

I've seen videos of the Chinese trade market. Yeah, it's a clusterfuck, but it still has great potential for buying basic stuff like maps, uniques, flasks, and currency exchange. It would sure beat copy+pasting the same message to 5-10+ people just to play the game for an extra 5 or so minutes before doing it again.

Implementing easier trading for items that are 'used up while being used', like maps, would be much less damaging than a general AH. It would still require rebalancing, and there is SSF (whether formal SSF or not) to consider as well. It wouldn't be an easy task, and some player groups would probably suffer.

Not everything is about money, HEALTH is more important, and a AH is more HEALTHY, less STRESS, less EFFORT, less ARROGANCE, less FRUSTRATION, that this day and age people deal with more than enough already.

And most of all, more time to ENJOY THE FREAKIN GAME, so you need some advice, you need to take a step back and take a nice big BREAK from the game with all the absolute CRAP that your typing on your posts.

hahaha, what?

so here we go again.

i'd like to run a yellow map, but i'm out of alchemy orbs.

so i go to exchange to try to buy some alchemy orbs so i can run a yellow map instead of a blue map.

after several whispers i finally get an invite so i go to the sellers hideout.

seller comes to hideout, drops me from group and leaves.

so now i'm running blue maps, collecting every rare item i can get to sell for alchemy shards to get alchemy orbs.


great design!@!@ not!

yeah, running 10 blue maps to collect enough alchemy shards from vendoring rare trash so i can run a few rare maps makes me a far better player than i would be if i could just buy alchemy orbs without the pointless whispering blue map grind.

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robmafia написал:

...wow.

and you think that an AH would REDUCE the disparity, not further increase it.

you JUST mentioned "someone might have a dozen people feeding equipment and resources to them" - and you want this automated. like the botting would somehow be lessened with automation, instead of increasing with the relative ease of it.

at least an auction house opens it up to EVERYONE because EVERYONE has the same access to an auction house.

for example, not everyone has the same access to a large guild with an extensive shared stash, which effectively makes it p2w. and that makes trading far easier for a SELECTED group of people than even auction house, making it even more anti-competitive.

but what you say is even more irrelevant because the claim i was addressing was that an auction house would reduce competition, and the assertion that if people want to be anti-competitive, then they shouldn't be playing challenge league. i was simply illustrating that given it is a trade enabled environment there is no reasonable basis to claim it is truly competitive. the only truly competitive environment is ssf, and if people are so determined to be competitive, then they should be in ssf.

yet another comment from the anti-auction house brigade that does nothing to further the conversation or clarify anything....just more muddying of the waters because the reality is that the only reason to be anti-auction house is to force everyone to play the same game YOU want to play.

i have no problem with you grinding away pointlessly for hours, doing the same thing over and over again. me, i prefer variety. i want to experiment, try different things. i want to buy six radically different shields and weapons and swap them in and out in different combos and see what happens. and i don't want to waste my time whispering people to do it just because you want to have the illusion that the environment is competitive, when it actually isn't.

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l4luke написал:

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Pizzarugi написал:

I've seen videos of the Chinese trade market. Yeah, it's a clusterfuck, but it still has great potential for buying basic stuff like maps, uniques, flasks, and currency exchange. It would sure beat copy+pasting the same message to 5-10+ people just to play the game for an extra 5 or so minutes before doing it again.

Implementing easier trading for items that are 'used up while being used', like maps, would be much less damaging than a general AH. It would still require rebalancing, and there is SSF (whether formal SSF or not) to consider as well. It wouldn't be an easy task, and some player groups would probably suffer.

Not everything is about money, HEALTH is more important, and a AH is more HEALTHY, less STRESS, less EFFORT, less ARROGANCE, less FRUSTRATION, that this day and age people deal with more than enough already.

And most of all, more time to ENJOY THE FREAKIN GAME, so you need some advice, you need to take a step back and take a nice big BREAK from the game with all the absolute CRAP that your typing on your posts.

spot on l4luke!!!

some people play because they want to have FUN!

auction house gives people choice, grind more or grind less. it's as simple as that. and obviously, the grinder brigade can't be having too much FUN if they get their pants in a tizzy over others having the option to not grind. "i don't want it so you can't have it either". even the arguments they put forward are the same old repetitive, unthinking grind, like the style of play they want to force on everyone else.

Dear GGG,

There's an easy way to put this to rest.

One league, give players the option of SSF, standard challenge, hardcore, and auction house challenge and see what happens. Measure the player response.

Just don't make the auction house stupid impractical(like the china experiment) and don't adjust the drop rates so that it's still a grind to get a yellow map to run(like you claim is necessary in the "trade manifesto". that is a design choice to enforce the grind we don't want - it actually negates the whole point of having an auction house.).

Because some of us just want to play. We're not here for a grind. We're here to have fun.

Your "trade manifesto" assumes we all want the same grind, just a different flavour. But that isn't so. Some of us want to experience as much content as we can in a variety of ways, and that is why we want trade simplified.

The worst that will happen is auction house will be a dismal failure. But even then you win, coz you will have proved your point.

But the other possibility is that those who keep ranting about wanting an action house will embrace and love it, and you will open the game up to that alternate market who just want to have fun.

I have no objections to others wanting to grind. It's just not what I'd prefer to do. I want to walk in the sun.

I love POE. But I would like to experience more of it without the pointless, lethargic crap of whispering and needless trade-grinding. Give those who want auction house a separate environment with an auction house and see what happens. Then the anti-auction brigade isn't impacted at all....unless of course it turns out that most of the current players prefer to have an auction house and they are left with no-one to play with in their trade-encumbered environment. Though I think that would be funny, I don't think it would happen, because those who want an auction house and those who don't are two separate, distinct markets.

For all I care you can call it "the anti-competitive, communist, weakling league for players who are as weak as piss and need an auction house coz they're too useless to function without one". Coz for me, I just want to have fun, and I don't need to pretend it is about "achievement" or showing others how superior I am. Endless whispering, leaving maps to sell people stuff, and so much of the stuff that others embrace is just a total yawn for me. It takes away from the experience rather than adding.

I do understand that for some people this adds to their experience. That's fine. Let them have their experience, but let us choose our experience as well. I don't know if you have noticed.....but as I browse forums I notice so many mentions of "trading" in threads that don't appear to be about trading, and people expressing that they are dissatisfied with the current options. Particularly around maps and currency. It is not simply a "trading issue", it is a game experience issue that ripples through all aspects of the game.

Some of us want to be able to constantly change our gear. Not just "upgrade" to improve. But to experiment and completely change our builds, including refunding our points. Some have limited time and would like to experience more content in a league. How many posts have I seen about that!!!! It is simply another level of choice. Like hardcore, ssf, auction house caters to a different and distinct market.

omg, now you're blaming the trade system because you ran out of alch olbs.

this is some grade-A comedy material.