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Making the game pay to play would drive away thousands of player wanting to try the game. That would be a huge loss for GGG. And it wouldn't even make RMTer flinch at such a low cost.
Honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read here.
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Lvzb3l написал:
Dude,do you really think botters are just 50 or 60 account? There must be THOUSANDS of botters out there nurturing the RMT webs, if GGG can't deal with those nasty webs, then they should do something about the game. And making a 1 time payment is great because new players can get a premium stash tab since the begining.
And BTW 5$ is A LOT for a botter, because you think they only run 1 or 2 accounts? NO MAN, its like hundred of virtual machines running tons of accounts, if botters got to pay for every account they will be unnable to deal with It.
I really don't understand why there's so many people against the war against the botters, probably because they get use of them...
Really the OP idea is the best you can think of, I've read tons of ideas like forcing the SSF<- which is fucking retarded since the end game is almost imposible without trade (still almost impossible unless you run the 5 or 7 OP builds of the moment even with trade). The other ideas like adding capcha into the game also quite retard... And you are against a 5$ wall against multi account botters? You must have something to lose if you're against this idea...
First of all POE would stop being f2p game and this is major lose. I had to try POE few times before i really joined this community in Breach league. This account i use now has been created in 2013 during steam release and i had one account before. Even if price is only 5$ i wouldn't bother with this game just like i never played Diablo or other similar games.
Second - By paying whatever amount of $ for a game you start having some expectations. Sorry but POE is no longer f2p game with ethical ingame shop. With amount of different items it's mandatory to have at least one of each specialized tab and some general tabs, and please don't even try telling me having all of this is only convenient. When i play in trade league i can utilize all my tabs (and i have many of them) to makes tons of currency. I can literally gather every single rare item that is only ok and put it in cheap "priced all" tab.
POE would get many negative reviews from people who bought this game but are restricted in so many ways.
Third - 5$ is a price you as regular user would pay. People can use stolen cards to buy accounts and offer them to people who are botting right now.
First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.
Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.
Third, your third point is plain stupid since can also be applied to the actual model so wtf are you talking about??
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СообщениеLvzb3l#346026 сент. 2018 г., 15:21:05
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Aias_o_Telamonios написал:
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Making the game pay to play would drive away thousands of player wanting to try the game. That would be a huge loss for GGG. And it wouldn't even make RMTer flinch at such a low cost.
Honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read here.
Honestly your assumption is even more idiotic here. It will be a huge lost for GGG to lose tons of free players? Are you fuck*** kidding right??
This game has been made big for all the players who have spent money on It since the kickstart for the servers. Sorry but you know nothing.
Последняя редакция: Lvzb3l#3460. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 15:54:22
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СообщениеLvzb3l#346026 сент. 2018 г., 15:23:37
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Lvzb3l написал:
First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.
I don't even know how to answer this. Bots are part of every online game not just problem of f2p games.
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Lvzb3l написал:
Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.
WoW, whole 50 points, i believe i spend something between 1000-2000 points just on stash tabs and only now i feels like amount of space i have is enough when im playing in trade league.
Also I paid 5$ for complete edition of Skyrim (and many other games) and like year ago i've got skyrim special edition for free. Current mtx model is only ok when game is f2p, add price tag and you will see massive amount of negative comments on steam saying how they paid for a game and still they enjoyment is gated behind very expensive mtx shop. Something they couldn't have known before paying for a game.
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Lvzb3l написал:
Third, your third point is plain stupid since can also be applied to the actual model so wtf are you talking about??
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Why they would pay anybody for accounts if they can create them now for free?
My point is valid only for games that must be purchased.
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WoW, whole 50 points, i believe i spend something between 1000-2000 points just on stash tabs and only now i feels like amount of space i have is enough when im playing in trade league.
Dude the 50 points are to avoid botters, and give back something to the player so the payment is simbolic, sounds reasonable, right?
It might aswell be 100 points for the first 5$ that the game costs, so they can buy a free stash/currency tab or something.
Последняя редакция: Meekeh#2018. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 15:43:33
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СообщениеMeekeh#201826 сент. 2018 г., 15:42:45
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MrsDeath_ написал:
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a small problem like bots can not be solved by making your free to play game pay to play. There's even streamers caught and recorded both getting transfers from RMT and then banned for it, (such as Cutedog_) and the overall economy is quite damaged, it is not precisely a small problem.
this might be the worst solution i ve ever read ^^
it is so bad that its hard not to laugh at it. you must've not seen or tought many solutions then
ggg would lose 95% of their playerbase if they did go pay to play.
Quite a random fact based on a personal oppinion.
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H1Z1
Is an example of a game that went from f2p at beta to p2p and succeeded even more reaching a peak of 86k+ players, later on when it was dying it went back to f2p.
Unfortunately, it is not appliable here because it is a fully different game system/model/idea though. [edited]
I appreciate the reply but it would be nice if it could be backed with positive criticism and data, please.
Последняя редакция: Meekeh#2018. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 16:14:39
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СообщениеMeekeh#201826 сент. 2018 г., 16:00:02
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karoollll2534 написал:
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Lvzb3l написал:
First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.
I don't even know how to answer this. Bots are part of every online game not just problem of f2p games.
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Lvzb3l написал:
Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.
WoW, whole 50 points, i believe i spend something between 1000-2000 points just on stash tabs and only now i feels like amount of space i have is enough when im playing in trade league.
Also I paid 5$ for complete edition of Skyrim (and many other games) and like year ago i've got skyrim special edition for free. Current mtx model is only ok when game is f2p, add price tag and you will see massive amount of negative comments on steam saying how they paid for a game and still they enjoyment is gated behind very expensive mtx shop. Something they couldn't have known before paying for a game.
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Lvzb3l написал:
Third, your third point is plain stupid since can also be applied to the actual model so wtf are you talking about??
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Why they would pay anybody for accounts if they can create them now for free?
My point is valid only for games that must be purchased.
You see your lack of grasp on the topic? just NO, not all online games have the botting problem as in here PoE were they are just destroying the economy. In your wonderful mind a totally broken market is a lot better for new players than pay 5$? ok right, your opinion on this is beyond magic...
What have nothing to do in this post how much money you spent on this game? Are you reading other post at the same time or what? MTX model is also used on P2P game model, so NO you are totally wrong one more time.BTW an MTX doesn't make a game more enjoyable, people just spend on MTX when they are ALREADY enjoying the game not as a step for it, geez...
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СообщениеLvzb3l#346026 сент. 2018 г., 16:05:21
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Meekeh написал:
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MrsDeath_ написал:
LOL
a small problem like bots can not be solved by making your free to play game pay to play. There's even streamers caught and recorded both getting transfers from RMT and then banned for it, (such as Cutedog_) and the overall economy is quite damaged, it is not precisely a small problem.
this might be the worst solution i ve ever read ^^
it is so bad that its hard not to laugh at it. you must've not seen or tought many solutions then
ggg would lose 95% of their playerbase if they did go pay to play.
Quite a random fact based on a personal oppinion.
H1Z1
Is a good example of a game that went from f2p to p2p and succeeded even more reaching a peak of 86k+ players.
I appreciate the reply but it would be nice if it could be backed with positive criticism and data, please.
cutedog ban was a troll.
i ve played a game suffered from bot problems for years. and NOTHING did solve this problem. every patch bot sites did release new patched bots and kept going on. i ve thought solutions but i dont think anything can stop a botter who wants to farm currency.
actually you can see the reaction GGG got by selling their shares to tencent. people were so mad because they thought ggg selling out and poe being p2p. so its not a personal opinion but its a fair observation.
H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.
sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities! Последняя редакция: MrsDeath_#3960. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 16:10:59
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СообщениеMrsDeath_#396026 сент. 2018 г., 16:08:39
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MrsDeath_ написал:
H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.
sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.
True, its not a good example, PoE is a very unique game on its own, i've edited my previous post on that.
Should we just give up on the matter then and have the staff of GGG be constantly checking for botters and RMT? there must be a better way
Последняя редакция: Meekeh#2018. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 16:15:03
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СообщениеMeekeh#201826 сент. 2018 г., 16:13:40
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Meekeh написал:
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MrsDeath_ написал:
H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.
sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.
True, its not a good example, PoE is a very unique game on its own, i've edited my previous post on that.
Should we just give up on the matter then and have the staff of GGG be constantly checking for botters and RMT? there must be a better way
I think rmt sites and bots really does not matter that much. At least for me. I could not care less about someone buying currency.
The currency they buy does not create any injustice since there is nothing to compare or compete in the first place. Poe is all about your own experience with ur own build. Wheter its a group play or solo play.
The only problem i can think of is ingame echonomy being affected by bots and bot owners.
Now that i think of, best solution would be detecting these currency sellers and just banning out the buyers. This way rmt sites would have nothing to sell and profit for.
Trust your mind and strengthen your abilities! Последняя редакция: MrsDeath_#3960. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 16:21:42
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СообщениеMrsDeath_#396026 сент. 2018 г., 16:20:30
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