How to stop botters and RMT

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karoollll2534 написал:

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Lvzb3l написал:

Dude,do you really think botters are just 50 or 60 account? There must be THOUSANDS of botters out there nurturing the RMT webs, if GGG can't deal with those nasty webs, then they should do something about the game. And making a 1 time payment is great because new players can get a premium stash tab since the begining.
And BTW 5$ is A LOT for a botter, because you think they only run 1 or 2 accounts? NO MAN, its like hundred of virtual machines running tons of accounts, if botters got to pay for every account they will be unnable to deal with It.
I really don't understand why there's so many people against the war against the botters, probably because they get use of them...

Really the OP idea is the best you can think of, I've read tons of ideas like forcing the SSF<- which is fucking retarded since the end game is almost imposible without trade (still almost impossible unless you run the 5 or 7 OP builds of the moment even with trade). The other ideas like adding capcha into the game also quite retard... And you are against a 5$ wall against multi account botters? You must have something to lose if you're against this idea...

First of all POE would stop being f2p game and this is major lose. I had to try POE few times before i really joined this community in Breach league. This account i use now has been created in 2013 during steam release and i had one account before. Even if price is only 5$ i wouldn't bother with this game just like i never played Diablo or other similar games.

Second - By paying whatever amount of $ for a game you start having some expectations. Sorry but POE is no longer f2p game with ethical ingame shop. With amount of different items it's mandatory to have at least one of each specialized tab and some general tabs, and please don't even try telling me having all of this is only convenient. When i play in trade league i can utilize all my tabs (and i have many of them) to makes tons of currency. I can literally gather every single rare item that is only ok and put it in cheap "priced all" tab.
POE would get many negative reviews from people who bought this game but are restricted in so many ways.

Third - 5$ is a price you as regular user would pay. People can use stolen cards to buy accounts and offer them to people who are botting right now.

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Aias_o_Telamonios написал:

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Making the game pay to play would drive away thousands of player wanting to try the game. That would be a huge loss for GGG. And it wouldn't even make RMTer flinch at such a low cost.

Honestly one of the dumbest things I've ever read here.

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Lvzb3l написал:

First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Third, your third point is plain stupid since can also be applied to the actual model so wtf are you talking about??

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WoW, whole 50 points, i believe i spend something between 1000-2000 points just on stash tabs and only now i feels like amount of space i have is enough when im playing in trade league.

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MrsDeath_ написал:

LOL
a small problem like bots can not be solved by making your free to play game pay to play. There's even streamers caught and recorded both getting transfers from RMT and then banned for it, (such as Cutedog_) and the overall economy is quite damaged, it is not precisely a small problem.

this might be the worst solution i ve ever read ^^
it is so bad that its hard not to laugh at it. you must've not seen or tought many solutions then

ggg would lose 95% of their playerbase if they did go pay to play.
Quite a random fact based on a personal oppinion.

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H1Z1
Is an example of a game that went from f2p at beta to p2p and succeeded even more reaching a peak of 86k+ players, later on when it was dying it went back to f2p.
Unfortunately, it is not appliable here because it is a fully different game system/model/idea though. [edited]

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karoollll2534 написал:

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Lvzb3l написал:

First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.

I don't even know how to answer this. Bots are part of every online game not just problem of f2p games.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.

WoW, whole 50 points, i believe i spend something between 1000-2000 points just on stash tabs and only now i feels like amount of space i have is enough when im playing in trade league.

Also I paid 5$ for complete edition of Skyrim (and many other games) and like year ago i've got skyrim special edition for free. Current mtx model is only ok when game is f2p, add price tag and you will see massive amount of negative comments on steam saying how they paid for a game and still they enjoyment is gated behind very expensive mtx shop. Something they couldn't have known before paying for a game.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Third, your third point is plain stupid since can also be applied to the actual model so wtf are you talking about??

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Why they would pay anybody for accounts if they can create them now for free?
My point is valid only for games that must be purchased.

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Meekeh написал:

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MrsDeath_ написал:

LOL
a small problem like bots can not be solved by making your free to play game pay to play. There's even streamers caught and recorded both getting transfers from RMT and then banned for it, (such as Cutedog_) and the overall economy is quite damaged, it is not precisely a small problem.

this might be the worst solution i ve ever read ^^
it is so bad that its hard not to laugh at it. you must've not seen or tought many solutions then

ggg would lose 95% of their playerbase if they did go pay to play.
Quite a random fact based on a personal oppinion.

H1Z1
Is a good example of a game that went from f2p to p2p and succeeded even more reaching a peak of 86k+ players.

I appreciate the reply but it would be nice if it could be backed with positive criticism and data, please.

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MrsDeath_ написал:

H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.

sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.

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Meekeh написал:

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MrsDeath_ написал:

H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.

sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.

True, its not a good example, PoE is a very unique game on its own, i've edited my previous post on that.

Should we just give up on the matter then and have the staff of GGG be constantly checking for botters and RMT? there must be a better way