How to stop botters and RMT

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Lvzb3l написал:

No,no,no and one thousand times no.

And this is why you've made exactly zero successful games, while, for better or worse, PoE stands out as one of the most successful. (successful enough that Tencent paid >NZ$100,000,000 for their 80% stake)

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SL_RK написал:

I think there definitely has to be a wall for this botters to get into trading, not sure if making the game pay to play or disabling trade until you buy something, but this ban waves from GGG seem really uneffective. Even if you don't care about people buying currency, then the market is screwed which ends up affecting you unless you play SSF, which is done by a small minority of people.

I just think it's pretty discouraging for someone who puts hard work into the game to see all these guys with headhunters and mirrors on the 3rd day of league. Just watch this. I think solving this is a priority issue for the health of the game and GGG should do something effective once and for all. I see a lot of people here just criticizing and not even suggesting a better solution.

"disabling trade until you buy something" that sounds like a possible idea too, to keep the game mostly f2p.

"Just watch this." yyyyyyup.

Thanks for the feedback, i'll start listing down alternatives on the first post.

If anyone else has an idea, be it good or bad, please share, i think we can help with this issue.

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Meekeh написал:

If anyone else has an idea, be it good or bad, please share, i think we can help with this issue.

Ok, here's a bad idea:

Problem: Botters Using Chaos Recipe

Solution: Require every trade with an NPC vendor include a Turing test for the buyer. If you can't prove you are human you cannot trade with the NPC.

More seriously, but still bad, for bots that are farming div cards I say move all div cards that return any currency or high value item to maps. Bots don't map, right? ;)

The REAL solution here will have to involve some form of actual investment on GGG's part. There's no "automatic system" that will really block all the bots without INDIRECTLY driving off a lot of players. (and hence income)

So what they're going to have to do, for at least part of it, is improve the game's in-game moderation. An admin who can see those bots moving in a way no player would could easily gain suspicion, and with decent powers get solid enough evidence of it being an actual bot within seconds.

Slap on a ban, record the IP address for further monitoring, and move on. As this goes, this will gather more information to properly identify the people running networks of bots, where they can be targeted in ways they can't just sidestep by paying another $5 (or whatever) entry fee.

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ACGIFT написал:

Slap on a ban, record the IP address for further monitoring, and move on. As this goes, this will gather more information to properly identify the people running networks of bots, where they can be targeted in ways they can't just sidestep by paying another $5 (or whatever) entry fee.

Against people running "...networks of bots..." is plain stupid trying to chase all of them, just with a one time 5$ payment they get totally screwed, simple as that.
Also making trade impossible until you spent at least 5$ is a really good idea since people can still try the game.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Against people running "...networks of bots..." is plain stupid trying to chase all of them, just with a one time 5$ payment they get totally screwed, simple as that.

If a "one-time payment" makes them "totally screwed," then they wouldn't be very good at gathering currency.

You are aware that (going by the prices advertised by spambots in chat) exalted orbs fetch over a dollar apiece? They only need collect a handful.

Sure, the prospect of making stacks of exalts might seem alien to you, but to anyone knowing what they're doing, it's not hard. And if you can just bot 24/7? Yeah, that'd be even easier still.

You need to stop talking when you've demonstrated clearly enough to everyone you have absolutely zero concept of how the game's played, let alone how games operate in general. You can just simply contradict with your own outlandish claims, but it's not getting you anywhere.

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ACGIFT написал:

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Lvzb3l написал:

Against people running "...networks of bots..." is plain stupid trying to chase all of them, just with a one time 5$ payment they get totally screwed, simple as that.

If a "one-time payment" makes them "totally screwed," then they wouldn't be very good at gathering currency.

You are aware that (going by the prices advertised by spambots in chat) exalted orbs fetch over a dollar apiece? They only need collect a handful.

Sure, the prospect of making stacks of exalts might seem alien to you, but to anyone knowing what they're doing, it's not hard. And if you can just bot 24/7? Yeah, that'd be even easier still.

You need to stop talking when you've demonstrated clearly enough to everyone you have absolutely zero concept of how the game's played, let alone how games operate in general. You can just simply contradict with your own outlandish claims, but it's not getting you anywhere.

The one who demonstrates his ignorance here is you. You clearly can't even figure out how many bots we are talking about. In your tiny head botters only have 1 bot recolecting currency. Meanwhile in the reality, bottes use hundreds of bots farming currency, if they have to pay 5$ for each botting account and keep buying them as GGG bans his accounts they're basically totally screwed. Because in time they will get no benefit if every time GGG bans one of theyr accounts gotta pay 5$ again, and again. If GGG does It's job believe they will lose money before gettin the 5 exalted...

So yeah, seems like the one having a naif or misinformed grasp of the situation here is you.

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Lvzb3l написал:

No,no,no and one thousand times no. The community you need on a game is the ones who spend money, these are the ones who end creating data about the game on the web, the ones who create addons and help programs like poe trade or poe affix (which even the own game make proffit from), NEVER the free load players, this ones should NEVER EVER be the main concern for the devs, not only on this, just in EVERY game created. Because the free loaders come and go, the paying ones are who attract the other players not the other way around.

This is extremely naive.

If free players were not there, there would be basically no streaming = way less advertising = way less player ( the paying part ) => even less players ( people don't play games that nobody else plays and nobody knows ), etc ...

Streaming not being the only element to consider, obviously.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Against people running "...networks of bots..." is plain stupid trying to chase all of them, just with a one time 5$ payment they get totally screwed, simple as that.

This is also very, very naive, and people have explained you already, so maybe there is just no discussion to be had with you at all here.

they could offer more ingame options (trading, chat?) if you register your account with a real life identity.

you can only effectively ban identities, it never made sense for anonymous or just anonymously purchased accounts.

in fact i had a hard time supporting this game now, knowing that only if you support you can be punished by some community guy doing a mistake.

luckily for them, i started playing when they were much more open to the community and established alot of trust this way.

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Lvzb3l написал:

In your tiny head botters only have 1 bot recolecting currency.

So you're resorting to insults here, AND making false assumptions.

I only specified the income of a SINGLE bot to demonstrate that a $5 fee per won't stop them. They'll gladly pay $5,000 to have $5,000 bots running, and collect that much money PER HOUR.

I mean, you're someone who hadn't even stopped to consider the cost of having computers to run bots on. How much in hardware are you using to run a bot? Sure, for someone like you, one bot you'd just run on your existing desktop. But if you have a bunch... You're gonna have to have more machines. And yet you never bothered to stop and think if those machines MIGHT cost many many times that $5.

I know you're not going to admit it now: folk like you get FAR too stuck in your own hole, determined to be "right," even though all that's happening now is everyone's starting to mock you.