How to stop botters and RMT

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Lvzb3l написал:

First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.

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Lvzb3l написал:

Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.

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MrsDeath_ написал:

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Meekeh написал:

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MrsDeath_ написал:

H1Z1 is a battle royale game, poe is an arpg. The difference is way too big to compare between. The game i mentioned before went from free to play to pay to play with items requiring upgrade your gear put on market. and they lost their almost instantly.

sone info about the game i mentioned i ve played for 10 years.i observed every phase of it from raise to fall. it was an arpg game.

True, its not a good example, PoE is a very unique game on its own, i've edited my previous post on that.

Should we just give up on the matter then and have the staff of GGG be constantly checking for botters and RMT? there must be a better way

I think rmt sites and bots really does not matter that much. At least for me. I could not care less about someone buying currency.
The currency they buy does not create any injustice since there is nothing to compare or compete in the first place. Poe is all about your own experience with ur own build. Wheter its a group play or solo play.
The only problem i can think of is ingame echonomy being affected by bots and bot owners.
Now that i think of, best solution would be detecting these currency sellers and just banning out the buyers. This way rmt sites would have nothing to sell and profit for.

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ACGIFT написал:

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Lvzb3l написал:

First, if you was a player with bigger gaming knowledge you will know you can't create a game F2P when it has trade between players, because that's a botter allure.

"was a player with bigger gaming knowledge."

Um, there are tons of F2P games, and plenty of them with trading. All of them have less of a bot problem than Path of Exile has right now. Warframe (the closest to PoE's level of success) basically doesn't even have botting to begin with.

So just how "big" do you claim your gaming knowledge is?

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Lvzb3l написал:

Second, the 5$ comes with 50points on the shop which means newbie players could experience the trade since the beggining, so there's nothing wrong at all there. Even with this first time payment the game will still be ethical microtransaction because this 5$ are just a barrier against botting companies using THOUSANDS of bots, were not talking here about a guy with a single account using a bot, NO, I repeat, this is companies with racks of computers even virtual computers using thousands of bots.

You ARE aware that the vast majority of LEGITIMATE (non-botting) players in this game haven't spent anything, right? That's the case for every F2P game: only a minority of us actually pay money.

And there's just about nothing you could buy reasonably with $5 in the MTX store.

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Lvzb3l написал:

You're SO wrong about that, and is a total lack of sense, how the majority have never spend anything? So basically they cant sell items because don't have premium stash tab? So wtf are we the community or GGG losing all this free load players? I tell you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

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Lvzb3l написал:

I think a LOT of people here is scared to lose the RMT webs which help them to finish a league content in 2 weeks...

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Lvzb3l написал:

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Phaeded написал:

$5 would be cheap for RMT'ers. The cost would have to be much higher, making the game no longer FTP, losing half of it's player base, etc., etc. I'm sorry, but your solution isn't very well thought out.

And no, I don't have any other solution that would be better. As long as currency drops and can be traded bots will exist.

Actually, what GGG needs to do IMO is hire someone to just deal with bots. They can sit in Sarn or wherever throughout the day and find the bots and ban them all day long. If they did that then the bots would end up going away because they would never get to operate long enough to make a profit. It's because they wait so long to deal with it that bots are so rampant. I mean to me, I would think it would be worth the annual salary of one employee.

Really the OP idea is the best you can think of...

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ACGIFT написал:

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Lvzb3l написал:

You're SO wrong about that, and is a total lack of sense, how the majority have never spend anything? So basically they cant sell items because don't have premium stash tab? So wtf are we the community or GGG losing all this free load players? I tell you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

No, this is how every single F2P game operates. The majority don't pay, but they are what draw in the PAYING players. Even most of THOSE don't pay that much, but then the small minority (who pay a ton) more than make up for everyone else.

If you lose the free players, you lose everyone else.

But yeah, go ahead and say "I'm SO wrong" because it kinda destroys all your dumb claims and ideas. Sorry bud, but you don't actually have anything worth saying here.

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Lvzb3l написал:

I think a LOT of people here is scared to lose the RMT webs which help them to finish a league content in 2 weeks...

So you run out of other ideas, and just resort to this? Almost makes me wonder if you're projecting a bit here...