poe is still the most p2w game ive ever played

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Baharoth15 написал:

Stash tabs in regard to trade are not QOL, they are mandatory. You can't sell stuff without them which cripples you massively in a game that's designed around doing just that to have any sort of gear progression.

You could call it pay to play instead of pay to win really because you can't really play this game without a minimum amount of tabs. You get a highly inconvinenient demo version that lacks core game mechanics for free but that's about it.

"You can't sell it in _that_ way". How is this designed in "that way in any sort of gear progression"? How could people then play in ruthless, and how could people play in ssf? This game is not about either trade, or delve, or chatting, or hording, or anything. It's pretty much up to you how you wanna play it. Some want's cosmetics, some whant to trade (that one doesnt cost money in it self), some want a challenge and some want to race and then probably one thousend thing more.

I think you understand, and I also think we see it in total in a similar way. As you said about pay 2 play. But it is a choice like everything. There is no "must do". (I think it is brave, from the start just go this path, and what we get totally free, it is quite massive and a lot of time. But this is not anything I has in mind when arguing topic.)

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I think this is the big problem overall with people having an issue that they must have it in a specific way.
"I must trade, such p2w"
"I can't beat all bosses, nerf everything"
"I don't have the time to look at the skill tree or guide so my character sucks"

It is a game, play it in whatever way you want and if you don't want to play it do not!
(you = people in common)

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Xystre написал:

Companies that create an issue and sells you the solution are no different than the usual gacha/p2w/p2skip games.

This community has an incredible difficult time to accept this reality.

Poe creates an issue and sells you the solution. Mules arent a solution. Just like "picking less" isnt on a genre based entirely on loot.

As long they keep creating currencies and league tabs it will not change no matter how much you type or cope saying that it isnt.

I agree, but I don't see it as a big issue, because you are free to choose. As I have written earlier, they try to balance that issue, because if we for real feel we must have all tabs (or any extra at all) that would be a problem.

Yes, pick what you want, horde as much as you want. There is no problem that must have a solution. That's me main thing. I would agree totally if you only were allowed to play ruthless if you didn't buy X.

I think all arguements used that this game is a "p2w" in any tiny bit, I could use that argument on "white wings is a must". Do you agree white wings is a must?

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Baharoth15 написал:

Stash tabs in regard to trade are not QOL, they are mandatory. You can't sell stuff without them which cripples you massively in a game that's designed around doing just that to have any sort of gear progression.

You could call it pay to play instead of pay to win really because you can't really play this game without a minimum amount of tabs. You get a highly inconvinenient demo version that lacks core game mechanics for free but that's about it.

This isn't strictly true...I sell a LOT of stuff on the trade chat in-game. You just need to ask a realistic price and its pretty easy to connect with people. People feel reliant on the trade tabs because they HAVE the trade tabs, but there are certainly ways to trade without them. Not as efficient, but they are there.

Garbage therad.