Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

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Akedomo#3573 написал:

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ogmersault#4806 написал:

it’s because you are not gated by anything. 100 is just an arbitrary number at this point in the game. You can try challenging content regardless of whether or not your xp bar goes up or down. YOU are the gate in this scenario. Your choice to pursue 100 at all costs, including the fun you have playing it, is the gate you are creating for yourself. The xp penalty is just something that happens when you die.

I I don’t think you’re coming from a bad place, or having this discussion in bad faith.

Here's the thing. You're totally right about choosing not to engage with the mechanic or not. It's totally your choice.


What people are trying to tell you though. Is that the mechanic, is not having the intended effect on the majority of players.

A small percentage of the playerbase, 10-15%, Value the mechanic.

The other 85-90%. Do not. When they encounter the mechanic. They make the choice not to engage with it, by quitting the game. Or completely avoiding end-game content. Or they'll actively avoid more difficult content, because dying is too punishing.

For me. It's just a frustrating mechanic.



Think of it this way.


You're playing Skyrim, or Baldur's gate 3, or maybe Darksouls or Elden Ring.

You load into the game, and you're playing for 5 hours. Then your game crashes randomly.

And you realize, you never saved, not once throughout that 5 hour play session.

How do you feel after this?


I don't think you're arguing in bad faith either. I realize the issue is one of communication. That's why I've been trying to help a few people understand a bit better. Not everyone is taught, or taught well.

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Akedomo#3573 написал:

Think of it this way.



You're playing Skyrim, or Baldur's gate 3, or maybe Darksouls or Elden Ring.

You load into the game, and you're playing for 5 hours. Then your game crashes randomly.

And you realize, you never saved, not once throughout that 5 hour play session.

How do you feel after this?

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GeoFruck#1167 написал:

So, what do you all think, a "crucible" for an actual competitive and more realistic separation of the highly skilled vs. the not as much, and a more accessible end game for more the casual (as if this game is still anywhere close to casual) completionist?

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drkekyll#1294 написал:

Hey, So. Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, I never said your feelings were invalid, so please don't put words in my mouth.

Odd. Well, I feel you invalidated me, and I can clearly point out several examples in the message that you sent that back this up.

I know you don't feel you invalidated. But you completely dismissed my feelings and then tried to "logic" them away.

I'll say it again.

I FEEL my time is wasted with this mechanic. A few deaths can reset an entire evenings grinding. Regardless if I have fun or not during the leveling. Something like this can FEEL overly frustrating, and lead to me not wanting to play. It FEELS incredibly unfair sometimes. Especially when a death can happen for dozens of reasons outside of your control. And each one pads the gametime.

I FEEL the game would do better with actual challenges and content in it. Over this mechanic.

I understand it probably wasn't your intent to invalidate me. That's not what most people go into a conversation doing.

Unfortunately, how most people are taught to communicate. They often invalidate unintentionally. It's simply because they've not had good examples of good communication, or have learnt what invalidating vs validating is. Which is why you see so many people arguing over this. They don't know how to communicate properly.

Not faulting you for it. But it does need to be pointed out, because it's essential to communication. This is especially important, because Video Games. Are designed to be an enjoyable time for people. They play heavily off feelings. Not logic. So when tons of people "Feel" a game mechanic is bad. It's often not good for the game. Even if it 'logically' fits.

If you want to practice it a bit. I'm willing to help.

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ogmersault#4806 написал:

Okay maybe I need to make it clear that I understand the take that it’s not having the intended effect. It didn’t fall on deaf ears, I get it.

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ogmersault#4806 написал:

This thread is pretty long, so maybe you’ve missed some of the remarks I made about finding better incentives

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ogmersault#4806 написал:

or seeing how much the penalty frustrates you when you aren’t dying to things you feel are out of your control. It’s very possible that when the game is in a more balanced state, and player knowledge is higher, it might just become something you don’t even think about anymore.

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drkekyll#1294 написал:

I think you're simply confusing my indifference toward how you feel for invalidation. There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way, but it might be a better indicator that you need to change than that the game does. It also might not.

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drkekyll#1294 написал:

There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way, but it might be a better indicator that you need to change than that the game does. It also might not.

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Akedomo#3573 написал:

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drkekyll#1294 написал:

I think you're simply confusing my indifference toward how you feel for invalidation. There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way, but it might be a better indicator that you need to change than that the game does. It also might not.

Yeah, it's the same thing. Having a discussion, without recognizing the other persons side, because you're 'indifferent' to it. Is still invalidation. That's kind of the point. Feelings are a valid argument. When you don't agree with them, and don't care about them. That's what's invalidating.

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drkekyll#1294 написал:

There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way, but it might be a better indicator that you need to change than that the game does. It also might not.

If there's 'nothing wrong' with my feelings. Then why do I need to change?

You realize this is another invalidating statement. Right?


Look. I'm not trying to go 'haha gotcha' or anything. I actually want people to be able to have good back and forth conversations. To understand eachother, and for people to stop fighting.

This issue is largely unintentional for most people. It's a learned behavior. I fully understand that it's not most peoples intention to invalidate.

But it is important to recognize it as harmful, especially when you're trying to share idea's, opinions, and feelings, and discuss them without biting eachothers heads off. This is one of the main things i see on these forums that has people in circular arguments for hours.

If anyone is interested in learning better ways to communicate. I'm all open to help. Because ultimately, we all just want a good game, and the better we can communicate. The better the chances of the things we give feedback on, being listened to.

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snowtoad#2351 написал:

Come play hardcore, there isn't an exp death penalty.