Why are only melee punished by weapon specific skill gems?

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Xaxyx написал:

How many ranged skills specifically CAN'T be used with a bow?

They are ranged skills because they CAN be used with a bow.


You need to drop the melee vs ranged skills if you want to understand this.

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Terrornoid написал:

I should be able to shoot exploding arrows from my club.

I would see a doctor about that right away.

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Shit doesn't even make sense for it not to. I mean, what REALLY is the difference? There's magic in the game so anything is possible. There's already skills that can be used by all weapon types, why have any variety? I mean, if I want to hit the badguys with heavystrike when they get close and all I have is a bow, I'm totally screwed right now.

Perhaps he'll buckle under the weight of your sarcasm. I rate it at least a 3.0. And climbing!

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I went to Burgerking once and got it my way, I should have it my way here. Skittles are colorful. Cars beep and weebles wobble. I can't even believe you GGG.

My troll senses are tingling. Why do they always go full troll? You should never go full troll.

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Sickness написал:

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Xaxyx написал:

How many ranged skills specifically CAN'T be used with a bow?

They are ranged skills because they CAN be used with a bow.

There are ranged skills that can't be used with a bow. Well, one anyway.

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You need to drop the melee vs ranged skills if you want to understand this.

You need to browse the gem list on the wiki if you want to understand this.

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Xaxyx написал:

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Sickness написал:

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Xaxyx написал:

How many ranged skills specifically CAN'T be used with a bow?

They are ranged skills because they CAN be used with a bow.

There are ranged skills that can't be used with a bow. Well, one anyway.

And that skill is a ranged skill because it can be used with a wand. So what?

If a skill is ranged or melee is defined by the weapons that it's allowed by, and therefor "ranged or melee" is secondary to the weapon type, and your argument falls apart.

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Xaxyx написал:

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Terrornoid написал:

I should be able to shoot exploding arrows from my club.

I would see a doctor about that right away.

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Shit doesn't even make sense for it not to. I mean, what REALLY is the difference? There's magic in the game so anything is possible. There's already skills that can be used by all weapon types, why have any variety? I mean, if I want to hit the badguys with heavystrike when they get close and all I have is a bow, I'm totally screwed right now.

Perhaps he'll buckle under the weight of your sarcasm. I rate it at least a 3.0. And climbing!

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I went to Burgerking once and got it my way, I should have it my way here. Skittles are colorful. Cars beep and weebles wobble. I can't even believe you GGG.

My troll senses are tingling. Why do they always go full troll? You should never go full troll.

Dude, there's no sarcasm. I have an awesome club that I want to use exploding arrows and I can't. Now I have to make a thread based on faulty logic and argue until my face is blue while using my own sense of sarcasm to blow off all other arguments.

Let me break this down, post by post.

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Xaxyx написал:

I'm a stupid doo doo head.

Agreed.

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Xaxyx написал:

Derp derpy derp derp.

Qft.

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Xaxyx написал:

I hate it when the peas and potatoes touch on my plate.

Dude, right?

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Sickness написал:

And that skill is a ranged skill because it can be used with a wand. So what?

Beats me. You're the one who brought it up.

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If a skill is ranged or melee is defined by the weapons that it's allowed by, and therefor "ranged or melee" is secondary to the weapon type, and your argument falls apart.

I fail to see how, given that the distinction between ranged and melee is the crux of my argument. Bow wielders can utilize all but one of the ranged skills. Melee weapon wielders are significantly more restricted, based on which weapon they select. Furthermore, this restriction on melee weapons is wholly unnecessary, as there's no mechanical distinction -- at least, as far as I can surmise -- in allowing additional variety in melee weaponry when employing melee skills.

It serves no game balance purpose. It serves only the most questionable of plausibility purposes. Yet it significantly hampers melee weapon options -- melee, the archetype already suffering the most. Why continue to include the restriction? How is the game made better by disallowing Glacial Axe?

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Terrornoid написал:

Dude, there's no sarcasm. I have an awesome club that I want to use exploding arrows and I can't. Now I have to make a thread based on faulty logic and argue until my face is blue while using my own sense of sarcasm to blow off all other arguments.

Oh, okay. Go right ahead, then. I'll continue to mock and belittle the nonsense you spew. I'm only happy to. It only serves to strengthen my stance. In the meanwhile, I'll continue to engage in intelligent debate with polite, reasonable folk. I do hope you don't find that distracting.

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Terrornoid написал:

My argument sucks too badly to defend, so I'll invent fake quotes for my opponent.

Don't beat yourself up over it. You'll get the hang of this trolling thing to the point where you don't have to resort to cheating. I have faith in you.

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Xaxyx написал:

Bow wielders can utilize all but one of the ranged skills. Melee weapon wielders are significantly more restricted, based on which weapon they select. Furthermore, this restriction on melee weapons is wholly unnecessary, as there's no mechanical distinction -- at least, as far as I can surmise -- in allowing additional variety in melee weaponry when employing melee skills.

So you see it as too many melee restrictions, where-as I see it as a lack of wand only skills (and therefore a lack of ranged restrictions). Would you therefore think wanders should have free access to bow skills? (some have an affinity to wands/magic (cold/fire/lightning), some have none (RoA/split) cause lets face it, wands have the smallest skill pool (1 dedicated and 2 that work with any weapon)

Your premise is all wrong and backwards. What you need to do is to simply look at each weapon type speraratly and see how many skills they can use, not to look at how many skills from some arbitrary ranged and melee categories they can't use.

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Xenthian написал:

So you see it as too many melee restrictions, where-as I see it as a lack of wand only skills (and therefore a lack of ranged restrictions). Would you therefore think wanders should have free access to bow skills? (some have an affinity to wands/magic (cold/fire/lightning), some have none (RoA/split) cause lets face it, wands have the smallest skill pool (1 dedicated and 2 that work with any weapon)

I suppose I would, at that. Admittedly, I'm out of my element on this one, as I don't have as much of a familiarity with where wand slinging is at, balance-wise. I do find it surprising that they have such a limited selection of skills to choose from, far moreso than any melee weapon, about on par with unarmed even. That's quite the narrow niche.

Have the devs made mention of their plans re: wand attack skills?