CRAFTING SHOULD NOT BE RNG, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT CRAFTING

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

Closest thing D2 has to actual crafting is runewords. And even then some runes are really hard to find.

And some runewords are just too powerful in the early levels and make you completely trivialize the early-mid game.

And some people complain about that too.~

Which proves what I'm saying: Meaningful crafting that is not some form of RNG can't truly exist in ARPG without trivializing 70% of the content.

It gives players too much power very early.

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

You're being a bit intellectually dishonest here.

Yeah they have all these systems. Some of them have more deterministic rewards, but you can't actually edit the items.

Yeah you have a lot of crafting materials, but many are very hard to find and rng based. It is different than simple crafting like you are suggesting here.

PoE2 leans more to the RNG side, that is true. The only problem is that it demands just insane ammounts of farming to get what you want, compared to these other games.

And that's the problem. Not the lack of an endgame relevant crafting system.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

Closest thing D2 has to actual crafting is runewords. And even then some runes are really hard to find.

And some runewords are just too powerful in the early levels and make you completely trivialize the early-mid game.

And some people complain about that too.~

Which proves what I'm saying: Meaningful crafting that is not some form of RNG can't truly exist in ARPG without trivializing 70% of the content.

It gives players too much power very early.

It doesn't matter that some rune words are too powerful in early game, it's not about the power, it's about crafting.
So, your argument "crafting does not belong in ARPGs" is invalid because THE arpg has it.

If you want pure gamba, go play at a slot machine.

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

Closest thing D2 has to actual crafting is runewords. And even then some runes are really hard to find.

And some runewords are just too powerful in the early levels and make you completely trivialize the early-mid game.

And some people complain about that too.~

Which proves what I'm saying: Meaningful crafting that is not some form of RNG can't truly exist in ARPG without trivializing 70% of the content.

It gives players too much power very early.

It doesn't matter that some rune words are too powerful in early game, it's not about the power, it's about crafting.
So, your argument "crafting does not belong in ARPGs" is invalid because THE arpg has it.

If you want pure gamba, go play at a slot machine.

It matters because even THE ARPG was criticized for it.

And Runewords only go so far. Try beating Hell difficulty with a build that is moderately item dependant and without trade in D2... You're going to have to farm. A lot.

There's nothing in D2 that let's you edit an item at will.

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Twelten#1961 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

You're being a bit intellectually dishonest here.

Yeah they have all these systems. Some of them have more deterministic rewards, but you can't actually edit the items.

Yeah you have a lot of crafting materials, but many are very hard to find and rng based. It is different than simple crafting like you are suggesting here.

PoE2 leans more to the RNG side, that is true. The only problem is that it demands just insane ammounts of farming to get what you want, compared to these other games.

And that's the problem. Not the lack of an endgame relevant crafting system.

Okay, now you're either trolling or talking about stuff you clearly haven’t experienced yourself, especially when you bring up Destiny 2 and The Division 2 and then claim "you can’t actually edit the items.”

Bro... for real?

Let me walk you through it since you called me “intellectually dishonest”:

Destiny 2
Weapon crafting exists in full. You literally unlock patterns, then craft the weapon with traits and perks of your own choosing.

Want a reload perk? Pick it. Want range? Pick it. Want a different combo later? You reforge it by spending materials.

You even level the weapon to unlock more customization. That’s not “random loot.” That’s deterministic crafting with progress-based upgrades.

The Division 2
Has a Recalibration Station where you can transfer specific stats from one weapon to another.

You farm for high-end rolls, then extract and slot them onto the gear you want.

You also upgrade gear, tweak core attributes, and even optimize it further using resources.

That's not just crafting, that’s editing your item.

So yeah, not only are you wrong, but you're confidently wrong while accusing others of dishonesty. That’s a hell of a combo.

I’ve played all those games extensively, put in thousands of hours. If you didn’t know any of that, maybe take a breath before lecturing others.

IM DONE WITH YOU

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

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Twelten#1961 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

You're being a bit intellectually dishonest here.

Yeah they have all these systems. Some of them have more deterministic rewards, but you can't actually edit the items.

Yeah you have a lot of crafting materials, but many are very hard to find and rng based. It is different than simple crafting like you are suggesting here.

PoE2 leans more to the RNG side, that is true. The only problem is that it demands just insane ammounts of farming to get what you want, compared to these other games.

And that's the problem. Not the lack of an endgame relevant crafting system.

Okay, now you're either trolling or talking about stuff you clearly haven’t experienced yourself, especially when you bring up Destiny 2 and The Division 2 and then claim "you can’t actually edit the items.”

Bro... for real?

Let me walk you through it since you called me “intellectually dishonest”:

Destiny 2
Weapon crafting exists in full. You literally unlock patterns, then craft the weapon with traits and perks of your own choosing.

Want a reload perk? Pick it. Want range? Pick it. Want a different combo later? You reforge it by spending materials.

You even level the weapon to unlock more customization. That’s not “random loot.” That’s deterministic crafting with progress-based upgrades.

The Division 2
Has a Recalibration Station where you can transfer specific stats from one weapon to another.

You farm for high-end rolls, then extract and slot them onto the gear you want.

You also upgrade gear, tweak core attributes, and even optimize it further using resources.

That's not just crafting, that’s editing your item.

So yeah, not only are you wrong, but you're confidently wrong while accusing others of dishonesty. That’s a hell of a combo.

I’ve played all those games extensively, put in thousands of hours. If you didn’t know any of that, maybe take a breath before lecturing others.

IM DONE WITH YOU

Yep that's why I said "IIRC" in the post that I mentioned.

The other games I mentioned don't let you tweak each stats as you want.

Tbh The Division and Destiny 2 are incredibly boring and generic when compared to PoE. No wonder you are asking for an item editor here in PoE2 if actually managed to stomach 2000 hours in any of these two games.

Other important thing is that even if Destiny 2 allows for such things, the "stat check" factor has much less weight than in ARPGs for instance.

Being able to tweak items at will in an ARPG will always grant you a much bigger advantage.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

It matters because even THE ARPG was criticized for it.

And Runewords only go so far. Try beating Hell difficulty with a build that is moderately item dependant and without trade in D2... You're going to have to farm. A lot.

There's nothing in D2 that let's you edit an item at will.

No, it doesn't matter because you always find ppl who complain about anything.
Furthermore, ppl don't complain about the existence of rune words, they complain about them granting to much power early on.

Furtherfurthermore, PoE crafting is less deterministic than D2 rune words, thus that argument does not hold.

Furtherfurtherfurthermore, even if crafting would not belong in other ARPGs, it belongs in PoE, period. If you don't like ARPGs with crafting, don't play ARPGs with crafting. It's that simple.

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

I don't understand you last two points. Crafting as requested in this post has never really been implemented in PoE. And I think it never will since it would affect trade tremendously.

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Twelten#1961 написал:

Ah, the classic "IIRC" defense, "If I Recall Correctly", aka I didn’t check but I’m going to speak with confidence anyway.

maybe thats the theme of all your post :)

yeah yeah, if that what i thought ill just copy paste their system and make a post about it.

i bring up destiny and division 2 since you confidently mention about it, wink wink

jeez