Remember when poe 2 was just an expansion?

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:
Taste is subjective, thus meaningless in a conversation about GGG's advertisement.

And why do you even bring up semantics, when nothing had to do with semantics!?


Brother... The comment about my taste was tongue-in-cheek, and the semantics was you talking about it being an "expansion." You have an interesting conversation style.


Again, it's not sEmAnTiCs.

Here is the LITERAL proof:
https://youtu.be/gM5SFgYbTaY?si=CSttQPdyU8C55IUS&t=3704
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im glad it wasnt, as someone who was alienated by the speed and power creep of poe1.

poe2 is for me.. glad u guys get ur game and i get mine
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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:


Again, it's not sEmAnTiCs.

Here is the LITERAL proof:
https://youtu.be/gM5SFgYbTaY?si=CSttQPdyU8C55IUS&t=3704


Proof of what exactly? It's semantics when you try and justify your own expectations because it was originally called and intended to be expansion. If the year was 2019, then yea you'd have a point. Closing your eyes and ears and ignoring everything that occurred subsequently is essentially what you are doing now. Acceptance is the first step. It will only get easier from that point.
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Defalto#9237 написал:
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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:


Again, it's not sEmAnTiCs.

Here is the LITERAL proof:
https://youtu.be/gM5SFgYbTaY?si=CSttQPdyU8C55IUS&t=3704


Proof of what exactly? It's semantics when you try and justify your own expectations because it was originally called and intended to be expansion. If the year was 2019, then yea you'd have a point. Closing your eyes and ears and ignoring everything that occurred subsequently is essentially what you are doing now. Acceptance is the first step. It will only get easier from that point.
Are you trolling or something?
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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:
Are you trolling or something?


I am not. You are either willfully choosing to ignore the last couple of years or you are just feigning ignorance.
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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:
Are you trolling or something?


I am not. You are either willfully choosing to ignore the last couple of years or you are just feigning ignorance.
Wrong.

This thread is about the fact that it was planned as a PoE1 expansion, and then you dropped in with this:
"GGG galvanized its player base with the product they made, and anyone that's been paying attention for months prior to December knows precisely what POE2 is supposed to be. We're getting what's been advertised, only it's still cooking in EA so it takes time, and making fundamental changes to the game to make it more akin to PoE1 because of a loud minority would turn it into something it wasn't supposed to be."

While I told you - it's meaningless for that topic.
You say "Well, you should've paid attention a few months prior PoE2 EA release",
when the issue is - it was marketed entirely different from 2019-2023 (4 years),
and even from 2023 until a bit prior PoE2 EA release not marketed as a game that's not PoE anymore (except the name).
Everyone who supported them for over 4 years got cucked in the last few months because they just changed the direction. That's the complaint here.

Imagine you like PoE2 EA how it is right now because you dislike PoE1, but in a few months GGG says "Fuck it, PoE2 was a mistake. We take it down and just port the new graphics, some mechanics and stuff into PoE1, how it originally was planned.".
That's not what was advertised to YOU prior PoE2 EA release, so... would you just eat it up!?

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While I told you - it's meaningless for that topic.
You say "Well, you should've paid attention a few months prior PoE2 EA release",
when the issue is - it was marketed entirely different from 2019-2023 (4 years),
and even from 2023 until a bit prior PoE2 EA release not marketed as a game that's not PoE anymore (except the name).
Everyone who supported them for over 4 years got cucked in the last few months because they just changed the direction. That's the complaint here.

Imagine you like PoE2 EA how it is right now because you dislike PoE1, but in a few months GGG says "Fuck it, PoE2 was a mistake. We take it down and just port the new graphics, some mechanics and stuff into PoE1, how it originally was planned.".
That's not what was advertised to YOU prior PoE2 EA release, so... would you just eat it up!?


The video you posted literally had gameplay footage in it. You either missed it or you're feigning ignorance. There have been multiple interviews, press testimonies, and more footage in this span of time; you either missed it your you're feigning ignorance. We received what was advertised prior to its release. I can only explain it to you over and over ad nauseum. I can't understand it for you. You are the only one accountable if you feel cheated. Just you, and nobody else.

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Sheldon_ballantyne#2597 написал:
a game that feels like everything is missing


I bet if you lived in a house that was under construction it might feel like a few things were missing.

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and trying to target an entirely new player base.


You guys really need to let this go. It's clear that PoE2 does not appeal to a committed and very vocal group of PoE1 players. I respect your perspective and sympathize with how you feel about the direction GGG is going, but this idea you have that everyone who ever played and enjoyed PoE1 agrees with you is just a fantasy you've built up because you're immersed in communities of like-minded people (and tend to ignore or push away people like me who don't fit into your mold).

I played PoE1 extensively as did many of my immediate friends and people in my "extended network" of gaming associate and I don't know of anyone who didn't love the game dearly and cherish the time they spent playing it, but now everyone I know who ever played PoE1 is playing and enjoying PoE2 (yes, even this patch).

Neither of us have access to the level of player activity data that would be needed to say which of our experiences represent the larger portion of the overall PoE player community - but GGG certainly has that data, and the fact that they decided to continue diverting resources away from PoE1 for the benefit of 2 despite knowing how unpopular that decision would be with the PoE1 diehards tells me pretty much all I need to know about what their data is telling them.

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But we appreciate all the support you've given us for the last 10 years so we can make a totally new game that is leagues worse


Again, totally with you right up until this point because I don't think it's worse at all, let alone leagues, and I know before you finish this sentence you will have come up with a bunch of reasons why my opinion on the matter is invalid, but it is what it is guy. I love what PoE2 is but more than that I love the potential for the game it is going to become.



Leagues worse because well, it's lacking the laugues worth of content that poe 1 has.

Graphics are amazing, skills feel amazing, character rigs are amazing, boss fights are amazing, there is so much that is better about poe 2 but in the end it comes down to fun.

There's more fun in poe 1 compared to poe 2, and understandably so. To me atleast.

Pulling a 180 and going from an expansion update on poe 1 to an entirely new game may or may not be beneficial for them as a studio, they probably do have the numbers, obviously poe 2 pulled more players than poe 1 ever has in a release so it does appeal to more people so far.

The bloat and complexity of poe 1 makes it hard for new players but it's what makes it leagues ahead in terms of fun again to me atleast.

Am I going to stop playing poe 2? No
Am I going to stop playing poe 1? No

Are they going to actually keep poe 1 going or let it die? I don't know
Are they going to update poe 1 and give it a 4.0 update still? I don't know.

I'll have more to say come 4.0 and 1.0 for poe 2 lol
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Defalto#9237 написал:

The video you posted literally had gameplay footage in it. You either missed it or you're feigning ignorance. There have been multiple interviews, press testimonies, and more footage in this span of time; you either missed it your you're feigning ignorance. We received what was advertised prior to its release. I can only explain it to you over and over ad nauseum. I can't understand it for you. You are the only one accountable if you feel cheated. Just you, and nobody else.
Dude... it's unreal with you.

Yes, it showed gameplay from PoE2 - THE POE1 EXPANSION (4.0).

And if you would pay attention for a second, you would have heard Chris Wilson explaining that it is an expansion.

That was advertised for 4 years, but then in 2023, they changed it.
You need proof? Here, the devs revealing that they changed it after 4 years of funding:
https://www.youtube.com/live/Vvah-HfhkYc?si=YlYq9KTI0qZxsY5w&t=7540

And just listen to the "overwhelming" reaction from all the die-hard fans who were there at Exilecon...
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Dude... it's unreal with you.

Yes, it showed gameplay from PoE2 - THE POE1 EXPANSION (4.0).

And if you would pay attention for a second, you would have heard Chris Wilson explaining that it is an expansion.

That was advertised for 4 years, but then in 2023, they changed it.
You need proof? Here, the devs revealing that they changed it after 4 years of funding:
https://www.youtube.com/live/Vvah-HfhkYc?si=YlYq9KTI0qZxsY5w&t=7540

And just listen to the "overwhelming" reaction from all the die-hard fans who were there at Exilecon...


That was in July of '23. You're just digging a hole. So explain to me...

1) What would be a reasonable amount of time for you that you wouldn't feel cheated since a year and a half apparently still isn't enough time?

2) What exactly is the disparity between the gameplay of the pseudo-sequel from '19 and the footage from Exilecon you just posted?

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