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I've sold a few Alteration Orbs and improved my Shield and Gloves. Now I'm in the 2.000.000 DPS range if I've set up PoB right. I'm still dubious going into Clusters due to the cost (only the Large will cut me out of 2 or more Exalted I don't have, and the Medium with both Liquid and Distilled are even more) but if nothing else my defenses could cover the loss a bit more (I'm still relying on the Cobalts to get them so is either Watcher Eyes or the Clusters).

My PoB builds, could you check I did all rightly? Thanks.

https://pastebin.com/we4uqgkA
Последняя редакция: ArionAthreides. Время: 7 нояб. 2020 г., 18:27:05
Hey exiles, just wanna ask a noobie question about this build, we have the agnostic and MoM keystones, so do we need a lot of life regen or we can just ignore getting life regen mods on our items and focus solely on life, mana, and mana regen?
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bananacandy98 написал:
Hey exiles, just wanna ask a noobie question about this build, we have the agnostic and MoM keystones, so do we need a lot of life regen or we can just ignore getting life regen mods on our items and focus solely on life, mana, and mana regen?


You can ignore life regen mods. Mostly life/mana/mana regen are priority. End game you have a lot of "x% of damage taken from mana before life" on a Watcher's Eye and your chest piece, so with that and Agnostic you don't need life regen.
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ArionAthreides написал:
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MadChickins написал:
Subpar for the very end game but solid for doing most content is probably what people mean.


Then I wonder what 'Most' and 'Endgame' is. Are T14-15 maps Endgame? Because I can't do that too, level 81 Heists are endgame? Deep 160 in Delve?. I thought Endgame was Uber Elder or Shaper.

I can't even do Incursion while in a red-colored map since I can't kill architect fast enough or get a stone so much for 'Solid'.

How much money I should waste in gear to be able to play this game? I wasted more than proper or reasonable that dodo Shield has you called it cost me a considerable amount of my resources when I bought it and I was able to buy it only because I had the 1 in a lifetime luck to get a Unique that was worth more than a third of an alchemist orb. I know you are all doing hundreds of chaos at day but I'm not. For me spending 10 chaos on something make me feel like I'm emptying my bank account in real life. Those 80 I wasted on getting a proper Cloak of Defiance was like I gambled a liver at a blackjack table, I was lucky with fusing but if I wasn't I would have basically lost my ability to go further.

My skill tree is based on Enky PoB, step by step save for Kitava (And I don't find it so useful in the end) and I refuse to use Cluster Jewels, that abominations were introduced 2 league ago and I refuse to believe that they are so necessary, people were not capable to go past Kitava before Delirium was introduced? Cluster Jewel are some kind of Feat Taxes imposed by GGG to balance this game? I choose this build especially since the guide made it look like you can play it without Clusters.

Ok, Chaos Res is useless because you can always use a flask to fix it (not that I'm a fan of that, I've already enough trouble managing my flasks as they are) but can we talk about this build most flaring vulnerability?

Freezing.

Soul of Brine King does nothing against that since most mobs need to freeze you just once to kill you since everyone here has an invisible one-kill attack. This is my experience so far. I walk full health, suddenly freeze (or the game stop out of nowhere for whatever reason it has), die. Without the ability to do anything else.

I'm sorry if I sound always so confrontational but it feels like anything I do is useless, no matter what I do to improve my character it just get worse instead of getting better, and despite not even being in a Hardcore League I'm scared of death since even a single one forces me to redo everything I did so far and I'm running out of viable options. There are whole maps right now I'm scared to play since I know I will die more than 4-5 in a single run like the Dark Forest.


Yah, this game is rough. I rarely get to beat end games bosses most leagues. I rarely get beyond T10 maps most leagues. This league I have. I've only ever killed Sirius a few times and Elder once. My drops tend to suck. I get at most 2 exalt drops in a league. That is all I've had drop for me this league in Heist so far. By the time I find out the super OP exploit that people have been abusing to steam roll content and make tons of currency, it's been patched out.

For the most part, most builds suck without currency investment of some sort or lucky drops. This one is OK for clearing maps, and not much else. Which is fine. This build, like my hexblast build, is literally meant to speed run T5 and lower maps for rares for the chaos recipe. That's about it. Don't worry about trying to scale this build, or any other super fast clearing builds beyond that to do bosses. It is prohibitively expensive. The leagues I've done the "end game content" and end game bosses I build a character like this to run low level maps to get chaos. I use that chaos to buy gear for a boss killer build instead. Usually that ends up as a minion build of some sort as that the only build category type I've been able to consistently do end game content with. Melee builds would be better, but those are FAR more expensive to setup for end game content. Melee builds scale better, but the gear required for them is far more expensive as well. Caster builds usually require less investment to scale initially, but most of them don't scale that hard either. The name of the company isn't GGG (aka GRINDING gear games) for a reason. This game is a free to play game that requires for most players to grind. If you can't dedicate 20 days of play time for a given league, you aren't likely to do end game content easily. Of course that assumes you don't get on the early bug abuse train like many players. For example that would be the forking shrapnel ballista build this league before it was patched. Every league has something added that busts the game. If you aren't looking for builds like that to abuse before the league goes live, then you are going to be in for grinding to get to do end game content most of the time.


As for being able to finish Kitava and at least get to maps, I don't know what to tell you. Softcore means you can literally lemming the initial ACTS of the game to beat it. I have literally beat Kitava wearing NOTHING except a 4 link white robe just to see that I could. I can do that with any skill gem, and 3 supports of anything really. The ACTS are that easy with enough game knowledge of the fight. Don't get me wrong, trying stupid stuff like that means I will most likely die even against ACT 10 Kitava. I'll probably die a lot. I think one test like that took me 30 deaths. Who cares! It's softcore and I was testing shit. I had my 7 year old beat ACT 10 kitava with not much more invested on his character. Beating the storyline acts isn't the end game at all. It's the intro part of this game. Doing T10 and below maps is the mid game. Everything after that is the start of actual end game.

Most builds that can do up to T16 maps require anywhere from 50 to 100 chaos to get going. If you literally run T1 to T5 maps, which is easier than beating Kitava in ACT10 over and over, you'll get about 100 chaos in about 2 hours from the chaos recipe alone. It's easy but it is a grind. At which point you should be able to upgrade whatever build you are on to at least get into doing red maps. Anything beyond that takes fine tuning and a lot more currency most of the time.

There is the second way to make money. It is to use money to make money. Save up a few hundred chaos running low level maps with the chaos recipe. Convert most of those into fusings/jewellers orbs. Buy some high demand chest pieces that are always in demand but are cheap when not 6-linked. Examples would be Shavronne Wraps, Carcass Jack, Queen of the Forest, and a few other unique chests. Shouldn't cost you more than a few chaos to get a cruddy version of those chests. With a few hundred chaos you should be able to usually get 1000-2000 fusings no problem. Then go to town. If you are unlucky you'll waste a 1000 fusing on a single chest or so. As such you'll barely break even selling that chest for the chaos you'll make back. If you are lucky you'll get a 6-link chest with 100-300 fusings used. Which means if you are doing a 6-link currency making run you can get 2-4 chests 6-linked. Sell them for a lot more than the initial currency you started with. Do it again and again. My luck on using fusings is absolute dog-poo for some reason (always takes me 1500+ fusings to 6-link so it is never worth it for me), but I know several people that typically get 6-links consistently with 100-300 fusings. That's how they bank roll their end game gear for their builds.
Последняя редакция: Viscar. Время: 8 нояб. 2020 г., 17:48:31
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ArionAthreides написал:
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MadChickins написал:
Subpar for the very end game but solid for doing most content is probably what people mean.


Then I wonder what 'Most' and 'Endgame' is. Are T14-15 maps Endgame? Because I can't do that too, level 81 Heists are endgame? Deep 160 in Delve?. I thought Endgame was Uber Elder or Shaper.

I can't even do Incursion while in a red-colored map since I can't kill architect fast enough or get a stone so much for 'Solid'.

How much money I should waste in gear to be able to play this game? I wasted more than proper or reasonable that dodo Shield has you called it cost me a considerable amount of my resources when I bought it and I was able to buy it only because I had the 1 in a lifetime luck to get a Unique that was worth more than a third of an alchemist orb. I know you are all doing hundreds of chaos at day but I'm not. For me spending 10 chaos on something make me feel like I'm emptying my bank account in real life. Those 80 I wasted on getting a proper Cloak of Defiance was like I gambled a liver at a blackjack table, I was lucky with fusing but if I wasn't I would have basically lost my ability to go further.

My skill tree is based on Enky PoB, step by step save for Kitava (And I don't find it so useful in the end) and I refuse to use Cluster Jewels, that abominations were introduced 2 league ago and I refuse to believe that they are so necessary, people were not capable to go past Kitava before Delirium was introduced? Cluster Jewel are some kind of Feat Taxes imposed by GGG to balance this game? I choose this build especially since the guide made it look like you can play it without Clusters.

Ok, Chaos Res is useless because you can always use a flask to fix it (not that I'm a fan of that, I've already enough trouble managing my flasks as they are) but can we talk about this build most flaring vulnerability?

Freezing.

Soul of Brine King does nothing against that since most mobs need to freeze you just once to kill you since everyone here has an invisible one-kill attack. This is my experience so far. I walk full health, suddenly freeze (or the game stop out of nowhere for whatever reason it has), die. Without the ability to do anything else.

I'm sorry if I sound always so confrontational but it feels like anything I do is useless, no matter what I do to improve my character it just get worse instead of getting better, and despite not even being in a Hardcore League I'm scared of death since even a single one forces me to redo everything I did so far and I'm running out of viable options. There are whole maps right now I'm scared to play since I know I will die more than 4-5 in a single run like the Dark Forest.


[Removed by Support] even worse is to read you talking shit about this build when it's actually the only build so far i've seen in this game that can do ANY content and that doesn't cost 100ex like all the other builds that the creators say it can do all stuff for less than 10ex which is a blatantly LIE. Let's see how amazing this build is:

> You don't need a lot of DEX nor STR for the gems because of the amulet you need to use.
> You don't need accuracy (DEX) because spells never miss.
> You need just a bit of CRIT CHANCE to proc Elemental Overload because you attack so fast and you attack two times with Arc.
> You don't need to invest in CRIT MULTIPLIER to do damage.
> You attack from afar (ranged) so it lessens the danger by a lot.
> You have high block chance which is the best defensive layer in this game full of one-hits and terrible "balance" made by GGG.
> You have a ridiculously well written and detailed guide, from gear to flasks and specially to the leveling process. God, i've seen so many "guides" in this forum where the author just gives two lines and that's it, and then he calls a guide.
> You need to remove status ailments? You have a passive in the tree that gives your mana flasks the ability to remove a random ailment, if you don't remove at the first time, just use the flask again.
> You actually have great defensive layers with this build. You attack from afar, you have Mind over Matter and maybe +10% of damage to mana (depends on gear) and your mana pool can tank that damage, you have Arcane Cloak, you have block. Playing this game with squishy builds is TERRIBLE and it sours the experience.
> You can ignore chaos resistance (which is a bad idea imo) with the high mana pool of the build.
> The playstyle is simple and extremely enjoyable. The piano flasking for this build is very easy and half of the time i don't even pop my flasks because of how strong it is.

You complain about getting gear, well, that's GGG for you, 99.8% of the gear you get in this ARPG (which is a pseudo-MMO that fails terribly at the core game/purpose of an ARPG, you know, getting gear by actually killing mobs) is GARBAGE, everyone knows that. 0.1% is stuff good for leveling and the other 0.1% is the actually good stuff that takes billions of hours of grind or extremely luck to find. The devs said already that this is a trading focused game. So, you need to complain to the devs and not to the author of this build.
Последняя редакция: Luke_GGG. Время: 9 нояб. 2020 г., 8:20:49
Hear, hear!
awakened controlled destruction vs awaked chain?

CD does a TON more dmg than chain
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At least when I felt I become too confrontational I had the common decency to say it like here:

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ArionAthreides написал:
I'm sorry if I sound always so confrontational but it feels like anything I do is useless,


You did nothign but listing why this build is amazing (for you), none of what you said answer my problem with it. I've tested 3 builds so far a Templar one, a Duelist one and this. The Templar could do map that this build couldn't (he didn't had issue with reflection maps so glaring I had to take with me a gear piece specifically for it) but it was made useless with Heist balancing nerfs, The Duelist was not a pleasant experience so I dropped it before reaching act 2. Do you want me to say your build is amazing? Fair it is AMAZING. Still I have quite the issue with it since every time I spend money to upgrade it, it's not really an upgrade and I get stuck against a wall two minuts after.

See my later post:

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ArionAthreides написал:

I've sold a few Alteration Orbs and improved my Shield and Gloves. Now I'm in the 2.000.000 DPS range if I've set up PoB right. I'm still dubious going into Clusters due to the cost (only the Large will cut me out of 2 or more Exalted I don't have, and the Medium with both Liquid and Distilled are even more) but if nothing else my defenses could cover the loss a bit more (I'm still relying on the Cobalts to get them so is either Watcher Eyes or the Clusters).

My PoB builds, could you check I did all rightly? Thanks.

https://pastebin.com/we4uqgkA


I've spent rougly around 5 Exalted to upgrade my gems, shield, and gloves (Basically all my belongins) and yet my survivability isn't so much improved, I still somewhat die out of nowhere. Just yesterday I did a monolith on a T14 map that I had cleare, boss included, and then suddednly DESPITE having Rumi on, Arcane Cloack, full mana, full healt and being reaonably away from my target I died. Just dead. I put the ring to protect me against Energy Reflection on, just in case and I went inside the room again and I died again, without even seeing the mobs who killed me. Again once more. At the fourth attempt, I managed to kill it but all my earned exp was gone.

I assure you I don't complaying here just to rustled your jimmies and I do complaying to the devs too. In fact I do expect them to ban me sooner or rather for I'm much less forgiving and restrained to them than I am here.
Последняя редакция: Luke_GGG. Время: 9 нояб. 2020 г., 8:21:05
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sc0rp404 написал:
awakened controlled destruction vs awaked chain?

CD does a TON more dmg than chain


Awakened Chain hits more mobs if your damage isn't a problem. Good in tight spaces and legion encounters. Also you won't have to worry about crit chance(and dex). But having tried both I still decide to use awakened CD, because I don't like losing damage either! I use Asenath's Gentle Touch to help with clear.
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Viscar написал:

The leagues I've done the "end game content" and end game bosses I build a character like this to run low level maps to get chaos. I use that chaos to buy gear for a boss killer build instead.


This is another can of work. I don't like starting again over and over, I had the plan to stay in Standard this league but the build I used what nerfed so badly it become unplayable. And they made a cat as a challenge reward. So unless the next league isn't something outright amazing I don't think I even play it. I want to explore some content of this game I keep skipping because you can't waste time in a league and since doing the story mode take me a reasonable time (I'm not the guy who does speedrun in story mode, it always take me no less than 2 weeks to finish it) doing a build to equip another build ... I don't doubt its a viable strategy but one I don't like. I want to finish the game for once using the same character, especially since I worked so hard to get it here.
goodness I'm starting to understand how to use this build right now, and according to you all this is one is a FRIENDLY build, I don't even want to think about the so-called 10.000.000 damage build.
Последняя редакция: ArionAthreides. Время: 9 нояб. 2020 г., 1:37:38

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