is The Shaper a fair fight? discussion

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GeorgAnatoly написал:

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Kasapnica написал:

I honestly no longer understand what "melee" stands for in this game,i feel like every one has his definition,half of the player base is like "if it hits more than 1 target,its ranged",the other half is like"if the skill reads melee,its melee".

No wonder GGG can't balance it. I guess that guy with 15k ES should be considered melee,since he's in the boss $%^ all the time but im honestly lost...but hey,i play EQ so im in the range,OP club ?

It's meant to imply the range of a skill and in the case of labeling something 'melee' it means using a skill that affects a small radius centered around the player requiring them to be close to a monster.

Well,the world first Shaper kill is done by a melee char then. If people call EQ being,"ranged" because AOE,then BV is melee,small range,big damage,requiring you to stand next to the boss/mobs. Therefore yes,world first shaper kill is done by a melee.

I hope the Shaper fight stays this hard and it's not nerfed.
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Aynix написал:

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johnKeys написал:

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guggelhupf написал:

last thing, was it my video u saw :D ?

yes.

and looking at it again I take back what I said about the laser: it DOES NOT have sufficient telegraph.
you were dodging it simply by constantly running around, but Shaper's animation of casting it is a split-second, so if you were standing still and only moved when you saw it coming - you probably would not have dodged it in time.
also - unlike Vaal Oversoul switching to its fork arm - he has no "about to use laser" signs.

the teleport was the real kicker though.
every time you died to it, my reaction was "how the fk was he supposed to dodge that, aside from sheer luck?".
so fast. so un-telegraphed. so much bs.
I hate Malachai's version, but at least you still have time to move when you see him appear near you. Shaper already blows you up at that point.

What. the. hell? Did you even watched any Shaper fight?
Both attacks (laser and tp-slam) are easy to spot. Before he cast laser, he raise his hands, you have like 1 second (or even more) to dodge it.
Before he use slam, he become "purple", so you know that you have to move, because he will tp to you and use slam.
Watch Ziziran fight, he (witch friend) spotted EVERY single use of laser and slam. Heck, they even had time to scream laser/slam 5 times before Shaper used it (so yeah, enough time to dodge it even when someone say you to dodge it)

thats the point. and if you are in the bubble from zana u know he will cast his laser when her bubbles end so u know u have to dodge. and ur right u dont see him coming, but u see him vanish, so if u see that, just run from a to b und hope ur fast enough ^^ mostly i use my quicksilver at this point. (would be easier with whirling blades, leap slam and so on)

its really cute that ppl defend this fight and like it is these days those ppl play the unlimited life mods

many of you forgot the only reason poe was successful was the major d3 fuck up in 2012 ppl were dissapointed and moved to this game
hc mode in d3 was a joke it had a 10sec logout delay so the hc ppl came to this game and helped to build it up
kripp did a shitload of promotion for the hc/sc community
you dont see supporter packs on my side which doesnt mean i dont own a shitload of stashtabs or skillmtx

this been said i feel really cheated the last 3 updates
it was ok for ggg to build up the poehouse wih hc money but somehow we are not welcomed anymore

its like shags says ggg doesnt support hc anymore
many new bosses are really rippy and more in favorite of a return to checkpoint playstyle

btw investing a shitload of money to satify the needs of the 1%(lets face it if you have 8+ for a videogame something went wrong in your life) is a horrible buisness move meanwhile the spectre question is still open summoner has no tooltips there is a whole bunch of QoL feature which could have been implemented
the new gray party avatar is a joke i cant even rightclick it for hideout

btw essence gets my alltime weak league award it just went to rank one taking the place of onslaught...yeah i found an alch 2.0...hurray
keeping those packs frozen takes away the feature of a scary random encounter which made invasion and beyond so popular

Relax folks. GGG are just putting the hard back in hardcore. And that's okay.

Honestly it looks mechanically easier than Malachi. I think as people get practice, it won't be a big deal. The Guardians may be sketchier really. Time will tell.

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TheAshmaker написал:

Honestly though, i really dont even care...the community has done this to themselves. They have repeatedly allowed the 1% to ask for more content and have repeatedly asked for the best builds to be nerfed. Well here we go boys time to death zerg the shapper fight. GL hardcore bois you will need it.

I hope they dont nerf it even a fraction.

Wow. Your view of what is proper balance is so twisted, your brain must be doing somersaults.

I am astonished, seriously.

Happy 1 second random lag with Shaper on HC. :-)

15k es = 1shot

how bout life base with 5-6k hp = rip

yeah life base characters cant do this for sure. i think only pathfinder can kill this boss since they wont run out of flask charges.

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SunL4D2 написал:

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the pretty big hits all seem avoidable.

enough with the nerfs already, jesus, this game is getting easier and easier. its always same shit. People ask for harder content then they baw that they cant AFK AT ENDGAME BOSSES.

Honestly, mechanically speaking this fight looks easier than atziri. There's more space to avoid things and as long as you dont run into telegraphed attacks or set the degen pools in a very shitty way you should be ok.

What? Aren't u need to only dodge Flameblast during Atziri's fight and even then you can take it? (And if you care about reflect - control who you attack during Clone phase) Here you need to dodge everything during constant spam of attacks and should navigate through / deal with circles of void. And if you do one mistake - anything can kill you during Shaper fight. It sure seems more annoying with Shaper's life pool + OP punishing attacks + need to travel map to reach next stage though.

Have seen quite a few die to storm call. maybe the comparison is more fair to uber? Im not sure, but atziri always seemed way more busy and have less margin for error.

either way, it should be hard, also see zizaran shaper fight.
The link in OP is extremely misleading. we dont know the damage types, but considering both videos, I'd bet there's quite a lot of physical there. Not like you should ever be hit by the dark yellow attacks or slam.

The game is becoming more and more of a joke, I understand people having a problem with unnerfed Invasion since it stiffled build creation too much, but there was nothing wrong with the new version (could just add sound/visual cues for boss proximity and it would be good to implement into game) and act 4 didnt need a nerf either. Ill just come out and say it, the community is full of crybaby casuals who want everything on a platter.

EDIT: hell, considering current powerlevel, even unnerfed invasion might not be too much.
As for melee, I think melee needs some changes rather than other content. Make some sort of internalized auto-fortify work with melee gems but have the values be related to damage (but with a cap) so that only true melee can get something from it instead of people whirling.