Why do you insist on using redit instead of your site

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Docbp87 написал:

I'm gonna quote myself here, rather than writing the same thing over and over:
And *I* think GGG posts on the reddit more than on this forum because the quality of the content that survives on the reddit is exponentially better than what passes for "legit discussion" on this forum. 99% of this forum is bitching from people that either can't be bothered to learn the mechanics they are bitching about, or who want to fundamentally change the very nature of the game (like "there's this thing in this MMO I played 5 years ago that I liked, so it should be in PoE, Listen to me GGG"... shit like that), where the threads that survive on reddit tend to be build videos/guides, discussion about mechanics by people who have bothered to learn the mechanics before blindly whining about them, memes (whether good or bad, they are a part of PoE community identity, and thus have their place), etc. I'm sure the usual suspects will be butthurt by my saying this, but it is just the reality. As a dev would you rather interact with people who like your game, and want to learn it better, etc, or people who hate your game, don't even play it, and do nothing but bitch about things they don't understand? Whose input would YOU care more about?

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Maswasnos написал:

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Docbp87 написал:

I'm gonna quote myself here, rather than writing the same thing over and over:
And *I* think GGG posts on the reddit more than on this forum because the quality of the content that survives on the reddit is exponentially better than what passes for "legit discussion" on this forum. 99% of this forum is bitching from people that either can't be bothered to learn the mechanics they are bitching about, or who want to fundamentally change the very nature of the game (like "there's this thing in this MMO I played 5 years ago that I liked, so it should be in PoE, Listen to me GGG"... shit like that), where the threads that survive on reddit tend to be build videos/guides, discussion about mechanics by people who have bothered to learn the mechanics before blindly whining about them, memes (whether good or bad, they are a part of PoE community identity, and thus have their place), etc. I'm sure the usual suspects will be butthurt by my saying this, but it is just the reality. As a dev would you rather interact with people who like your game, and want to learn it better, etc, or people who hate your game, don't even play it, and do nothing but bitch about things they don't understand? Whose input would YOU care more about?

That's pretty good reasoning. In addition to that, the PoE subreddit is still an official forum- it was created by Chris Wilson 5 years ago (you can see that on the sidebar). It is every bit as much an official news source as the forums. For every post the devs make here (usually about new uniques or other stuff), you'll also see one on Reddit because it is the other official forum for the game.

IMO, it's also WAY better suited to the devs making small comments about mechanics or other not-news-worthy things because of the way Reddit is set up. A comment gets upvoted and is easily seen, devs browsing reddit see it and respond on their own time. Meanwhile on the forums, any thread can be bumped to the top repeatedly by anyone, so you get a constant stream of nonsense and people complaining about things they barely understand. The more I use Reddit the more I hate the forum layout here.

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Raudram написал:

Reddit is 100% pure circlejerking with the idiotic downvote system to silence valid but unpopular opinions, so no.

And then the only interaction with GGG wet get on the official forum is random posts getting censored for no apparent reason other than "mean words". Which only contributes to making it all look much more unprofessional.

I'd say community management (more like lack of it) is the second biggest problem GGG faces after the nonexistent balance. Both are also tightly tied together, lack of communication and listening to community leads to the poor balance which leads to public uproar and complaints we can see here every day, which leads to GGG not even wanting to show their faces around.

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Docbp87 написал:

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Raudram написал:

Reddit is 100% pure circlejerking with the idiotic downvote system to silence valid but unpopular opinions, so no.

And then the only interaction with GGG wet get on the official forum is random posts getting censored for no apparent reason other than "mean words". Which only contributes to making it all look much more unprofessional.

I'd say community management (more like lack of it) is the second biggest problem GGG faces after the nonexistent balance. Both are also tightly tied together, lack of communication and listening to community leads to the poor balance which leads to public uproar and complaints we can see here every day, which leads to GGG not even wanting to show their faces around.

I guarantee you that the devs are not the ones editing peoples posts... There are forums moderators/support folks that do that. Rory and Mark aren't on the forum editing mean posts...

The irony of your second complaint is that you see just as much outcry about the fact that balance seems driven by reddit. On one hand people say GGG doesn't listen to the community. On the other, apparently the PoE Reddit is responsible for all balance changes made. Well, which is it?

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widardd написал:

Reddit is a crazy and dangerous echo chamber. Did you ever try to communicate something unpopular over there?