That feel when the Chaos Recipe becomes a waste of time
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Vias_Myton написал:
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alg0801 написал:
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Vias_Myton написал:
Hi, Im new to this discussion and I want to learn.
To the min/maxing players here:
Would you still choose not to do chaos recipes, if you
1. Only run like 10 maps per day?
2. Cannot sustain maps without buying them?
3. Cannot clear maps within 5-7 min?
4. do dried lake runs for currency?
Im not trying to argue (because this discussion is already heated enough). I just want to know if your statement "dont do chaos recipes" also applies to my already suboptimal playstyle.
1. You don't hop on POE like "I can run 10 maps and 10 maps only today!"...Time is your constraint, not number of maps. If you do 10 maps in the time I can do 15 who comes out ahead? Or how about 1000 maps in the time I can do 1500?
2. Depends what level you want to sustain. At all levels, you make more currency by simply running more maps. From running Dried Lakes to Double Beyond Triple sextant red maps...same thing. With that said. See Lifting Nerd's videos on 100 map runs. He tells you how much he spent on all of the maps + currency rolling them, how much time it took, net gain at end.
3,4. I run favorable layouts unless I don't have another choice. I think pretty much any solid build can clear faster than your 5-7mins. If you can't, maybe you do not meet a certain gearing threshold yet? I did use unid Chaos recipe in Dried Lakes to get my build map-ready but after that (5L Voll's Prot + Cospri's Malice) picking up loot becomes super tedious. This threshold varies with build. A Flameblast elementalist really only needs a 4L and the prolif ascendancy point.
1. No. I literally stop after a certain amount of maps. Either because of "good" maps running out or I simply quit for this day.
2. Usually yellow tier maps. I dont even bother running red tier maps. I get myself killed too often.
3. My current character is an EA Elementalist. Ive only got 7,3k life. Thus I get killed if a pack of devourers pop up beneath me in a no damage T7 map (happend twice in untainted paradises).
Imagine me as if you would be in your "pre map-ready" state all the time.
(I did pay most of my 36 challenges with chaos recipe and selling white leather belts and sorcerer boots.)
1. If you're only going to run X maps per day and it is not variable on time, then you need to make the most of each map that you can. I would go crazy with the chaos recipe in this case utilizing every rare combination that I could.
2,3. How in gods name do you die in T7 with 7.3k life?? My current char has 7200 ES and can map damage modded and -max yellows and low reds (haven't tried high tier yet) no problem. My Ngamahu Cyclone Raider had like 5.5k hp in T12 and only had problems with volatiles. EA is a very fast clearing build too if im not mistaken. 7.3k life is like a Shaper viable life pool.
3. My current character is an EA Elementalist. Ive only got 7,3k life. Thus I get killed if a pack of devourers pop up beneath me in a no damage T7 map (happend twice in untainted paradises).
Imagine me as if you would be in your "pre map-ready" state all the time.
I don't die with my EA pathfinder with 7.1k life in T10 maps (didn't try T11+ because I didn't find any so far, don't have much time to play these last months...)
2,3. How in gods name do you die in T7 with 7.3k life?? My current char has 7200 ES and can map damage modded and -max yellows and low reds (haven't tried high tier yet) no problem. My Ngamahu Cyclone Raider had like 5.5k hp in T12 and only had problems with volatiles. EA is a very fast clearing build too if im not mistaken. 7.3k life is like a Shaper viable life pool.
I dont know either. My standard char has a legacy Rumi's Concoction. I used my flask, when I see those devourers appear (I was at full life). The next second I was dead. This happend to both my standard char and my Breach char.
Последняя редакция: Vias_Myton#7568. Время: 8 февр. 2017 г., 11:32:00
I am at end game but still doing this, why? End game is EXPENSIVE!
Mapping is really expensive,
Uber lab is expensive,
Ubers, Guardians, etc, expensive.
Almost 2 years in POE never seen an Exalt drop, almost end Breach and i have a couple of Chaos and no Exalts and i am playing daily since Breach launch.....plz dont give GGG the wrong idea because if they change it i am out (a game where you can not do end game sucks) However, chaos should be from ilvl 75 and up....
I am at end game but still doing this, why? End game is EXPENSIVE!
Mapping is really expensive,
Uber lab is expensive,
Ubers, Guardians, etc, expensive.
Almost 2 years in POE never seen an Exalt drop, almost end Breach and i have a couple of Chaos and no Exalts and i am playing daily since Breach launch.....plz dont give GGG the wrong idea because if they change it i am out (a game where you can not do end game sucks) However, chaos should be from ilvl 75 and up....
Perhaps we should exchange RNG?
It's not about RNG though. It's about utilizing the wealth I have spread across my account, and accumulating more of everything just by running more maps. More power = faster map clearing = more wealth. It's that simple.
Most people who are broke seem to focus on the Chaos recipe, and when they don't generate wealth fast enough, they use those Chaos to make another character. In doing this, they will continuously hit a wall with each build and restart the process, spreading their wealth thinly across many characters.
The wealth isn't in the big drops, exalts, or even your chaos orbs. Go convert all your orbs to chaos in a spread sheet with current ratios and tell me how much chaos they are in value. Now think about all the currency you wasted or blew on rolling alternate builds out of frustration.
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SilentStorm625 написал:
so to recap. CR is not a waste of time. You just have to do it efficiently
There does not exist a reality where any level of efficiency will result in your map clear speed being competitive to a clear speed player who does not waste their time with the chaos recipe.
"Big data analyst" my ass. You're probably an intern.
Последняя редакция: alg0801#6288. Время: 8 февр. 2017 г., 12:57:52
I am at end game but still doing this, why? End game is EXPENSIVE!
Mapping is really expensive,
Uber lab is expensive,
Ubers, Guardians, etc, expensive.
Almost 2 years in POE never seen an Exalt drop, almost end Breach and i have a couple of Chaos and no Exalts and i am playing daily since Breach launch.....plz dont give GGG the wrong idea because if they change it i am out (a game where you can not do end game sucks) However, chaos should be from ilvl 75 and up....
Perhaps we should exchange RNG?
2 years is meaningless. I bet if you stopped doing the chaos recipe, and instead spent that time in maps killing mobs, proccing the RNG roulette wheel, you would get an ex drop :P
I have only one tab for this and I really don't need much time to manage it. One line per item slot, and small weapons in the right side. Very easy and fast.
You been looking at my stash?? Really plain to see here I have a few spare amulets and belts, and I need 3 more rings to complete my 4 chaos sets. Doesn't take long to pop some junk in there as I go, and I only pick up one inventory worth of stuff per map usually. If I drop a bunch of 6 sockets on a single map, I might jump back in for a second armload of loot but that's pretty rare.
Yeah I'm still doing chaos recipes too. Shoot, I even take a trip through merciless aqueduct now and then for some lower level rares since I don't have a lot of use for regal orbs. I'll admit thought that I don't play very efficiently or competitively at all. I wouldn't even argue against the comment about picking up pennies on the way to work, but for me, the chaos recipe is still ok. Mainly for these three reasons.
1)My character doesn't have a job so the trip to work is irrelevant. He doesn't have to keep up with the Joneses or even put food on the table so if he wanders around picking up pennies that's ok.
2)While chaos per hour may be low, his chaos income PER MAP is better. And since his chaos orbs are mostly used for rolling maps, that helps him sustain a bit.
3)Since I don't particularly enjoy trading, none of his good drops ever sell. I just don't set up the whole trade thing, don't get whispers and don't make deals. None of that. Not that I WON'T trade, I do occasionally decide I want something and I'll shop for it, but that about the extent of my trading.
Would I say it's the BEST way to play? Hell no, as least not if you play to win! But for just monkeying around wasting time, it's a very comfortable and stress free way to go.
Honestly if you're complaining that 10min worth of time for an exalt isn't worth it.. you're ridiculous. Not saying I'm the richest by any means, not even close. But I've been playing this league for about a month and this is my third character. I do the chaos recipe and I speed run maps extremely fast. T15's are no issue.
Hell this even includes a blue dream jewel.
Sure there's room for improvment. Not doing too bad considering this is my third character and I work full time and go to school. A good chunk of what I've gotten so far has come from the chaos recipe and it requires very little time.
I am at end game but still doing this, why? End game is EXPENSIVE!
Mapping is really expensive,
Uber lab is expensive,
Ubers, Guardians, etc, expensive.
Almost 2 years in POE never seen an Exalt drop, almost end Breach and i have a couple of Chaos and no Exalts and i am playing daily since Breach launch.....plz dont give GGG the wrong idea because if they change it i am out (a game where you can not do end game sucks) However, chaos should be from ilvl 75 and up....
Perhaps we should exchange RNG?
It's not about RNG though. It's about utilizing the wealth I have spread across my account, and accumulating more of everything just by running more maps. More power = faster map clearing = more wealth. It's that simple.
Most people who are broke seem to focus on the Chaos recipe, and when they don't generate wealth fast enough, they use those Chaos to make another character. In doing this, they will continuously hit a wall with each build and restart the process, spreading their wealth thinly across many characters.
The wealth isn't in the big drops, exalts, or even your chaos orbs. Go convert all your orbs to chaos in a spread sheet with current ratios and tell me how much chaos they are in value. Now think about all the currency you wasted or blew on rolling alternate builds out of frustration.
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SilentStorm625 написал:
so to recap. CR is not a waste of time. You just have to do it efficiently
There does not exist a reality where any level of efficiency will result in your map clear speed being competitive to a clear speed player who does not waste their time with the chaos recipe.
"Big data analyst" my ass. You're probably an intern.
