NEED AUCTION HOUSE FFS

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Cyzax написал:

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nadakuu написал:

Were is your proof of your statement that this is a minority ?

Direct quote from the development manifesto:

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Most players who play Path of Exile never trade. Out of the players who do trade, most only complete a few trades in a league. The subset of players who regularly trade strongly overlaps with our core reddit and forum communities

the existing trade system is cumbersome and intimidating, particularly for people who have never used it. that most people do not trade in the current environment isn't a fair indicator of anything. it took me over two leagues to begin trading. first i wasn't aware that trade was an option. then i was too intimidated to trade because the process is so awkward. it took me two and half leagues to start trading because the process for trade is so intimidating.

yes, the majority of people do not trade. it doesn't mean they don't want to. it might just be that the current options are so ugly that they don't bother.

never going to happen...

unfortunately

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Cyzax написал:

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aphfid написал:

this is so funny.

coz being a former programmer, nothing was more frustrating than fellow programmers who felt their own personal wants were more important than what the customer wants. and really, now that tencent are the majority shareholder, the "GGG vision" doesn't have any credibility any more.

But this is not about 'want', but that GGG has a much clearer view about what will attract players to the game.
They can accede to the (very) small vocal minority on the forums, or they can design the game for the large majority of players who're happily playing, using what they find, and only doing the occasional trade.
If they have to balance the game for the 'we want an AH now!' type of players (who're few in numbers, comparatively), they'll lose the much larger group of players who're solitary in nature and play for the joy in finding.
It really is as simple as that...

and so the purpose of a feedback forum is??? ...totally redundant according to you???

if the majority of players aren't interested in trade, then why aren't the majority playing ssf?

it would be interesting to see an actual poll on the topic. maybe it is true that the majority of players don't want an auction house, but without an actual poll, we have no way of knowing. i suspect a poll would show that the majority do want an auction house, and i suspect for this reason most of the "no auction house" brigade would be unwilling to even support a poll on the topic.

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goetzjam написал:

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aphfid написал:

a"bad league". auction house seems to be the single most requested feature and poor trading facilities the number one player gripe. i'm not closed to the possibility that auction house might change the dynamics in ways i can't see....i find it interesting that people are so opposed to even testing the idea...

as far as the GGG vision, that has no credibility now that tencent is the majority shareholder.

Aside from the lab, an AH might be the single most divisive topic as well. I supported GGG because they didn't just take the simple way to implement a trade system replacement, but rather kept the requirements of talking with another person to complete trades. Quite a lot of my friends list is full of people from trades from current\previous leagues.

Well said. I respect and understand that. I like that you own that it is your preference.

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goetzjam написал:

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aphfid написал:

a"bad league". auction house seems to be the single most requested feature and poor trading facilities the number one player gripe. i'm not closed to the possibility that auction house might change the dynamics in ways i can't see....i find it interesting that people are so opposed to even testing the idea...

as far as the GGG vision, that has no credibility now that tencent is the majority shareholder.

Aside from the lab, an AH might be the single most divisive topic as well. I supported GGG because they didn't just take the simple way to implement a trade system replacement, but rather kept the requirements of talking with another person to complete trades. Quite a lot of my friends list is full of people from trades from current\previous leagues.

As for testing the idea, both xbox and China realm is for that.

Sorry, but I doubt you truly talk to anyone there.

Out of ziggyD trading, all the communication is based on pre defined sentences that come by pushing a button. There is no socializing involved at all, it´s just the same stupid mechanic that we had at d2 for years.

Fact is, this is an ARPG, an ARPG needs a working trade system or SSF drop rates. I don´t care what GGG goes for, but they have to act.

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goetzjam написал:

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aphfid написал:

a"bad league". auction house seems to be the single most requested feature and poor trading facilities the number one player gripe. i'm not closed to the possibility that auction house might change the dynamics in ways i can't see....i find it interesting that people are so opposed to even testing the idea...

as far as the GGG vision, that has no credibility now that tencent is the majority shareholder.

Aside from the lab, an AH might be the single most divisive topic as well. I supported GGG because they didn't just take the simple way to implement a trade system replacement, but rather kept the requirements of talking with another person to complete trades. Quite a lot of my friends list is full of people from trades from current\previous leagues.

As for testing the idea, both xbox and China realm is for that.

"Hi, I'd like to buy X."
*Person doesn't respond*
"Hi, I'd like to buy X."
*Person doesn't respond*
"Hi, I'd like to buy X."
*Person doesn't respond*

*Repeat this process 5-10+ times*

"Hi, I'd like to buy X."
*Party invite sent*
*Buyer visits seller's HO*
*Trade happens*
"Thanks."
*Party disbands, buyer goes back to their HO*

Much socializing, very interaction, wow.

I can't think of any time I've had people talk to me when engaging in trade, buy or sell. In fact, most don't even bother to say thanks before dropping out of the party. The only time I can think of one interaction is when I asked why I keep getting buy offers when I sell shaper/elder trash for 1alch (turns out sets can be vender trashed for ex shards, guess who stopped selling them :P)

I can think of so many better places in gaming where I can get social interaction with people, forced redundant trading mechanics are not one of them.

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Ygidua написал:

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goetzjam написал:

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aphfid написал:

a"bad league". auction house seems to be the single most requested feature and poor trading facilities the number one player gripe. i'm not closed to the possibility that auction house might change the dynamics in ways i can't see....i find it interesting that people are so opposed to even testing the idea...

as far as the GGG vision, that has no credibility now that tencent is the majority shareholder.

Aside from the lab, an AH might be the single most divisive topic as well. I supported GGG because they didn't just take the simple way to implement a trade system replacement, but rather kept the requirements of talking with another person to complete trades. Quite a lot of my friends list is full of people from trades from current\previous leagues.

As for testing the idea, both xbox and China realm is for that.

Sorry, but I doubt you truly talk to anyone there.

Out of ziggyD trading, all the communication is based on pre defined sentences that come by pushing a button. There is no socializing involved at all, it´s just the same stupid mechanic that we had at d2 for years.

Fact is, this is an ARPG, an ARPG needs a working trade system or SSF drop rates. I don´t care what GGG goes for, but they have to act.

Talk to anyone where? On China or that play on Xbox?

Those people browse the subreddit and make post about their systems occasionally, which I read.

As for anyone at GGG, no I don't message anyone there about trade because I don't find it important to contact them about it. I've given my feedback on AH before and I feel that is all that is necessary for it.


As for a working trade system it does work and any system put in place would have advantages and disadvantages.


Trade is not the #1 issue with the game right now.

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Pizzarugi написал:

Much socializing, very interaction, wow.

I can't think of any time I've had people talk to me when engaging in trade, buy or sell. In fact, most don't even bother to say thanks before dropping out of the party. The only time I can think of one interaction is when I asked why I keep getting buy offers when I sell shaper/elder trash for 1alch (turns out sets can be vender trashed for ex shards, guess who stopped selling them :P)

I can think of so many better places in gaming where I can get social interaction with people, forced redundant trading mechanics are not one of them.

Its not about the socialization, its about the step it takes.

Click to buy is no effort, requires no checks or balances and effectively would make POE into every other online game that has a trade system replacement, just because it was the easier thing to do.

Except all those other freaking games that have AH aren't ARPG games, they are MMOS or something else that have other limitations or applications of how items work.


Engaging in trading as a social aspect has went to the wayside because its far easier to just move on and go back to getting your instant gratification then it is to engage with other players. That is fine if thats all you want to do, but then you can't flame the system because all you do is endlessly copy and paste messages.



Regardless, an AH is never going to happen on the main realm, it literally would be the largest mistake GGG could ever do and its not something they likely could recover from.


As for complaining about trade, feel free to actually explain your issues rather then just demanding for a trade system replacement.



For example, if you are messaging people for 1alch items, I can understand those not responding to you. Something someone suggested to me to fix this is setup a live search for that item, typically its common and should get a whoop quickly. You know that person would be online and ready, because they just listed the item. Alternatively, look for the level 100 previous accounts or buy the one with better rolls listed for a chaos instead.

For maps you can apply similar thing. Or trade with guild or friends.

Currency, setup buy orders. Div cards bump the price up a chaos or two.


Yet this is another example of how players want their instant gratification.

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aphfid написал:

the existing trade system is cumbersome and intimidating

Yes... By design!... and it is working like a charm :-)

It is there for the simple reason that easy trade is detrimental to the play experience of the large majority of players who don't trade.

Why is it detrimental? Because with easy trade, GGG would have to balance after it, and that would mean the majority of their players couldn't actually play any more.

It's like the 1% vs. 99% tax discussion... The 1%'ers want their taxes lowered, and don't care about the ill effects on the 99%... the cook up some fake argument about tickle-down effects... Same attitude really...

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Cyzax написал:

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aphfid написал:

the existing trade system is cumbersome and intimidating

Yes... By design!... and it is working like a charm :-)

It is there for the simple reason that easy trade is detrimental to the play experience of the large majority of players who don't trade.

Why is it detrimental? Because with easy trade, GGG would have to balance after it, and that would mean the majority of their players couldn't actually play any more.

It's like the 1% vs. 99% tax discussion... The 1%'ers want their taxes lowered, and don't care about the ill effects on the 99%... the cook up some fake argument about tickle-down effects... Same attitude really...

Then wouldn't it just be easier to actually implement an SSF league that isn't just a thinly-veiled game mode for masochists? If GGG isn't interested in making trading accessible for everyone, despite the fact it's a core aspect of the game, then they should let people opt out of Path of Price Fixing without punishing them for it.