NEED AUCTION HOUSE FFS

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aphfid написал:

They have a "we're not eating chocolate so no-one else can" type mentality.

'i want to get screwed by an AH, so everyone should get screwed by an AH!'

no hypocrisy there.

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aphfid написал:

Are you willing to listen to the reasons why people want an auction house?

Whether people 'want' an auction house is not the least bit relevant! The whole point is that the game design makes it impossible to implement one without destroying the game :-)

That is GGG's reasoning, and unless you provide cast-iron proof that an AH won't do that, it would be a financial gamble they wouldn't (and shouldn't) attempt.

Having a functioning economy with easy trading require that items leave the economy at about the same rate as they enter. In PoE, items doesn't leave the economy...

A way this could be remedied is if items had something like the D2 durability, with the item becoming unusable when it reached 0 durability. There should not be any way to repair durability. This would require massive balancing effort, the game wouldn't be PoE any more, and there'd be a lot of financial risk in it... all for no extra income. Thus it is not going to happen any more than an AH in the current game.

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Cyzax написал:

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aphfid написал:

Are you willing to listen to the reasons why people want an auction house?

Whether people 'want' an auction house is not the least bit relevant! The whole point is that the game design makes it impossible to implement one without destroying the game :-)

That is GGG's reasoning, and unless you provide cast-iron proof that an AH won't do that, it would be a financial gamble they wouldn't (and shouldn't) attempt.

Having a functioning economy with easy trading require that items leave the economy at about the same rate as they enter. In PoE, items doesn't leave the economy...

A way this could be remedied is if items had something like the D2 durability, with the item becoming unusable when it reached 0 durability. There should not be any way to repair durability. This would require massive balancing effort, the game wouldn't be PoE any more, and there'd be a lot of financial risk in it... all for no extra income. Thus it is not going to happen any more than an AH in the current game.

Or you can make items soul/accountbound so once the item has been used/equipped, it no longer becomes tradable.

I'd be fine with that.

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Cyzax написал:

Direct quote from the development manifesto:

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Most players who play Path of Exile never trade. Out of the players who do trade, most only complete a few trades in a league. The subset of players who regularly trade strongly overlaps with our core reddit and forum communities

two things:

they mention their reddit community first, we're only secondary.

they seem to be able to connect reddit accounts with poe accounts (don't tell that to the reddit folks).

... wow


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to those requesting a auction house, you're aware that for a better item exchange the search options would have to go?

the current trade has the problem of giving those nolifers a huge advantage to sell their stuff, maybe the xbox trade implementation would also be good for the pc version.

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robmafia написал:

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aphfid написал:

They have a "we're not eating chocolate so no-one else can" type mentality.

'i want to get screwed by an AH, so everyone should get screwed by an AH!'

no hypocrisy there.

Nope. People still have the choice to not trade. If you don't want auction house, don't use it.

The SSF environment has been setup specifically for people who don't want trade and yet, people still want come play in the trade-enabled environment and stifle other people from having free trade.

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cronus написал:

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Cyzax написал:

Direct quote from the development manifesto:

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Most players who play Path of Exile never trade. Out of the players who do trade, most only complete a few trades in a league. The subset of players who regularly trade strongly overlaps with our core reddit and forum communities

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to those requesting a auction house, you're aware that for a better item exchange the search options would have to go?

the current trade has the problem of giving those nolifers a huge advantage to sell their stuff, maybe the xbox trade implementation would also be good for the pc version.

I believe that is a design decision by GGG rather than a real world limitation - basically GGG trying to force an alternate type of grind to substitute for the in-game grind . I don't support this either. Just as they also claim that "easier trading means reduced drop rates". No it doesn't - that is a design decision based on GGG wanting to enforce a particular player experience. GGG does not have to making searching more difficult, it is a deliberate choice made to enforce a different type of grind.

I openly say that the reason I want an auction house is because I don't want the player experience that GGG wants to enforce, and that is the direct feedback I am giving. The reason I want an auction house is because I want to experience as wide a range of content as possible and try out a variety of builds and different equipment. So, if GGG reduces search options and drop rates in response, then they are basically deliberately negating the whole point of having an auction house.

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Pizzarugi написал:

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Cyzax написал:

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aphfid написал:

Are you willing to listen to the reasons why people want an auction house?

Whether people 'want' an auction house is not the least bit relevant! The whole point is that the game design makes it impossible to implement one without destroying the game :-)

That is GGG's reasoning, and unless you provide cast-iron proof that an AH won't do that, it would be a financial gamble they wouldn't (and shouldn't) attempt.

Having a functioning economy with easy trading require that items leave the economy at about the same rate as they enter. In PoE, items doesn't leave the economy...

A way this could be remedied is if items had something like the D2 durability, with the item becoming unusable when it reached 0 durability. There should not be any way to repair durability. This would require massive balancing effort, the game wouldn't be PoE any more, and there'd be a lot of financial risk in it... all for no extra income. Thus it is not going to happen any more than an AH in the current game.

Or you can make items soul/accountbound so once the item has been used/equipped, it no longer becomes tradable.

I'd be fine with that.

You're still stuck in "people have to experience the game the way you dictate they should". The reason people want an auction house is because they want a different experience. You just don't get that.


While you see it as "destroying the game", others see it as opening up the game so they can have a broader play experience.

Every league is a financial gamble. It's all about trying new stuff out. I don't see what the drama is about trying an action house out in just one league. Seriously!!! Are you concerned that player feedback might actually be positive and disprove everything you have been saying?

It doesn't have to carry over as a permanent change, so the risk is no more than any other league. And it might actually complement other aspects of the league. Maybe people might have disliked bestiary less if an auction house made trading the beasts easier.

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aphfid написал:

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robmafia написал:

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aphfid написал:

They have a "we're not eating chocolate so no-one else can" type mentality.

'i want to get screwed by an AH, so everyone should get screwed by an AH!'

no hypocrisy there.

Nope. People still have the choice to not trade. If you don't want auction house, don't use it.

The SSF environment has been setup specifically for people who don't want trade and yet, people still want come play in the trade-enabled environment and stifle other people from having free trade.

...that changes no part of what i wrote or your point's hypocrisy.

you want the entire economy to be influenced by the ah you want, regardless of others' wants.

ie: you have no basis.

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aphfid написал:

You're still stuck in "people have to experience the game the way you dictate they should". The reason people want an auction house is because they want a different experience. You just don't get that.

wow. ...read that again. you clearly "just don't get that" your argument is the EXACT thing you're criticizing.

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aphfid написал:

The reason I want an auction house is because I want to experience as wide a range of content as possible and try out a variety of builds and different equipment. So, if GGG reduces search options and drop rates in response, then they are basically deliberately negating the whole point of having an auction house.

ggg provided a whole league for "easy mode", absent competition, totally overpowered gear for cheap and people having masses of currency to their disposal, it's called "standard league".