How to stop botters and RMT

Hello GGG staff,

Me and a friend have an idea that maybe could help your game become a true paragon of modern gaming as a business model.

Make Path of exile Pay to Play for 5$ to buy, and in exchange give 50 points for the microtransaction shop. (or 10$/100 points so they can buy currency stash tab, perhaps make a one time account offer, etc)
The payment would then become a symbolic payment.

This would make RMT's and trade bot spammers have to pay to keep spamming, atleast earning you the revenue the you could lose from new incoming players (that couldn't afford to pay even 5$ one single time for the lifetime of the new account, which is not the real target i believe)

What to do with accounts that are already in the game and haven't paid a cent?
Leave them be. that easy.
If they're botters or RMT's they should eventually be hunted down since, as you claim, put "so much effort" into stopping this problem.

Now, to whoever is reading this, what do you think of this solution, can you improve it or give another solution to this problem?

I believe it would be the least intrusive and most efficient way to get rid of RTM's and botters without affecting long lasting players, either if they have paid or not.

I look forward your answers,

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Listing possible solutions mentioned below
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By MrsDeath_ (page 2)
-Ban only the players who buy RMT
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MrsDeath_ написал:

I think rmt sites and bots really does not matter that much. At least for me. I could not care less about someone buying currency.
The currency they buy does not create any injustice since there is nothing to compare or compete in the first place. Poe is all about your own experience with ur own build. Wheter its a group play or solo play.
The only problem i can think of is ingame echonomy being affected by bots and bot owners.
Now that i think of, best solution would be detecting these currency sellers and just banning out the buyers. This way rmt sites would have nothing to sell and profit for.

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By FULL_SYNTEC (page 3)
-Disable writing in the chat until a payment is made (reading enabled in freemode) and a one time per account offer.
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FULL_SYNTEC написал:
I would pay that 5$ anytime. them chaos recipe are killing me inside.

Maybe that 5$ fee could enable the chat (well could be read only in freemode), enable trading etc + a free premium tab something like this

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By SL_RK (page 3)
-Disable trading until you buy something from the microtransaction shop.
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SL_RK написал:
I think there definitely has to be a wall for this botters to get into trading, not sure if making the game pay to play or disabling trade until you buy something, but this ban waves from GGG seem really uneffective. Even if you don't care about people buying currency, then the market is screwed which ends up affecting you unless you play SSF, which is done by a small minority of people.

I just think it's pretty discouraging for someone who puts hard work into the game to see all these guys with headhunters and mirrors on the 3rd day of league. Just watch this. I think solving this is a priority issue for the health of the game and GGG should do something effective once and for all. I see a lot of people here just criticizing and not even suggesting a better solution.

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By Phaeded (page 4)
(Funny)
-Include a Turing test when trading with an NPC
(Serious)
-Put all divination cards that give currency/high value items back to maps
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Phaeded написал:
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Meekeh написал:
If anyone else has an idea, be it good or bad, please share, i think we can help with this issue.

Ok, here's a bad idea:

Problem: Botters Using Chaos Recipe

Solution: Require every trade with an NPC vendor include a Turing test for the buyer. If you can't prove you are human you cannot trade with the NPC.

More seriously, but still bad, for bots that are farming div cards I say move all div cards that return any currency or high value item to maps. Bots don't map, right? ;)

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By ACGIFT (page 4)
-More investment from GGG's admins, tracking IP's that have been banned for further monitoring.
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ACGIFT написал:
The REAL solution here will have to involve some form of actual investment on GGG's part. There's no "automatic system" that will really block all the bots without INDIRECTLY driving off a lot of players. (and hence income)

So what they're going to have to do, for at least part of it, is improve the game's in-game moderation. An admin who can see those bots moving in a way no player would could easily gain suspicion, and with decent powers get solid enough evidence of it being an actual bot within seconds.

Slap on a ban, record the IP address for further monitoring, and move on. As this goes, this will gather more information to properly identify the people running networks of bots, where they can be targeted in ways they can't just sidestep by paying another $5 (or whatever) entry fee.

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By geradon (page 4)
-More in-game options with a real life identity.
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geradon написал:
they could offer more ingame options (trading, chat?) if you register your account with a real life identity.

you can only effectively ban identities, it never made sense for anonymous or just anonymously purchased accounts.

in fact i had a hard time supporting this game now, knowing that only if you support you can be punished by some community guy doing a mistake.

luckily for them, i started playing when they were much more open to the community and established alot of trust this way.

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By pphnx (page 5)
-Add a captcha in the trade window
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pphnx написал:
Only solution would be the captcha in the trade window or simple math question with 4 choices like 3*57=?
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LOL
a small problem like bots can not be solved by making your free to play game pay to play. this might be the worst solution i ve ever read ^^
it is so bad that its hard not to laugh at it.
ggg would lose 95% of their playerbase if they did go pay to play.
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Последняя редакция: MrsDeath_#3960. Время: 26 сент. 2018 г., 13:42:45
Clearly you're not familiar with botters and RMT. Even WoW, where you needed to buy the game and expansions + monthly fees had thousands of them. If you think $5 will stop them, you are mistaken. It also goes against the model GGG has been doing.
$5 would be cheap for RMT'ers. The cost would have to be much higher, making the game no longer FTP, losing half of it's player base, etc., etc. I'm sorry, but your solution isn't very well thought out.

And no, I don't have any other solution that would be better. As long as currency drops and can be traded bots will exist.

Actually, what GGG needs to do IMO is hire someone to just deal with bots. They can sit in Sarn or wherever throughout the day and find the bots and ban them all day long. If they did that then the bots would end up going away because they would never get to operate long enough to make a profit. It's because they wait so long to deal with it that bots are so rampant. I mean to me, I would think it would be worth the annual salary of one employee.
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I have even better idea that will work for sure.
Make ssf the only available game mode.

Problem solved.
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karoollll2534 написал:
I have even better idea that will work for sure.
Make ssf the only available game mode.

Problem solved.


Yeah, or make the next league semi-SSF:

Max. 2 trades per day per account.

Items you drop on the ground are permanently allocated to you.

Items placed in guild stash remain allocated to your account for 100 hours.
(or since you-know-who loves RNG: allocated for 60-150 hours).
Player numbers are plummeting.
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Phaeded написал:
$5 would be cheap for RMT'ers. The cost would have to be much higher, making the game no longer FTP, losing half of it's player base, etc., etc. I'm sorry, but your solution isn't very well thought out.

And no, I don't have any other solution that would be better. As long as currency drops and can be traded bots will exist.

Actually, what GGG needs to do IMO is hire someone to just deal with bots. They can sit in Sarn or wherever throughout the day and find the bots and ban them all day long. If they did that then the bots would end up going away because they would never get to operate long enough to make a profit. It's because they wait so long to deal with it that bots are so rampant. I mean to me, I would think it would be worth the annual salary of one employee.


Dude,do you really think botters are just 50 or 60 account? There must be THOUSANDS of botters out there nurturing the RMT webs, if GGG can't deal with those nasty webs, then they should do something about the game. And making a 1 time payment is great because new players can get a premium stash tab since the begining.
And BTW 5$ is A LOT for a botter, because you think they only run 1 or 2 accounts? NO MAN, its like hundred of virtual machines running tons of accounts, if botters got to pay for every account they will be unnable to deal with It.
I really don't understand why there's so many people against the war against the botters, probably because they get use of them...

Really the OP idea is the best you can think of, I've read tons of ideas like forcing the SSF<- which is fucking retarded since the end game is almost imposible without trade (still almost impossible unless you run the 5 or 7 OP builds of the moment even with trade). The other ideas like adding capcha into the game also quite retard... And you are against a 5$ wall against multi account botters? You must have something to lose if you're against this idea...
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Lvzb3l написал:
Really the OP idea is the best you can think of, I've read tons of ideas like forcing the SSF<- which is fucking retarded since the end game is almost imposible without trade (still almost impossible unless you run the 5 or 7 OP builds of the moment even with trade).

So, what about 1-2 trades per day per account?

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The other ideas like adding capcha into the game also quite retard... And you are against a 5$ wall against multi account botters? You must have something to lose if you're against this idea...

While I think botters/RMT'ers are a cancer upon PoE, you'd be excluding millions of poor people from playing it.

India alone must have 100k-200k players, who are too poor to pay $5.

$5 is actually also more than minimum wage in China. (minimum is $1/h or so).
I know of a danish company, that produces resuscitation dolls there, and they pay the workers 19 DKK/hour (~3 USD)
Most chinese would not be able to afford it.
Also, I bet Tencent would just love that change..

And, as I recently found out, very few people in Iran have a credit card, so are not able to pay either.

And the list goes on..
Player numbers are plummeting.
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Lvzb3l написал:


Dude,do you really think botters are just 50 or 60 account? There must be THOUSANDS of botters out there nurturing the RMT webs, if GGG can't deal with those nasty webs, then they should do something about the game. And making a 1 time payment is great because new players can get a premium stash tab since the begining.
And BTW 5$ is A LOT for a botter, because you think they only run 1 or 2 accounts? NO MAN, its like hundred of virtual machines running tons of accounts, if botters got to pay for every account they will be unnable to deal with It.
I really don't understand why there's so many people against the war against the botters, probably because they get use of them...

Really the OP idea is the best you can think of, I've read tons of ideas like forcing the SSF<- which is fucking retarded since the end game is almost imposible without trade (still almost impossible unless you run the 5 or 7 OP builds of the moment even with trade). The other ideas like adding capcha into the game also quite retard... And you are against a 5$ wall against multi account botters? You must have something to lose if you're against this idea...



First of all POE would stop being f2p game and this is major lose. I had to try POE few times before i really joined this community in Breach league. This account i use now has been created in 2013 during steam release and i had one account before. Even if price is only 5$ i wouldn't bother with this game just like i never played Diablo or other similar games.

Second - By paying whatever amount of $ for a game you start having some expectations. Sorry but POE is no longer f2p game with ethical ingame shop. With amount of different items it's mandatory to have at least one of each specialized tab and some general tabs, and please don't even try telling me having all of this is only convenient. When i play in trade league i can utilize all my tabs (and i have many of them) to makes tons of currency. I can literally gather every single rare item that is only ok and put it in cheap "priced all" tab.
POE would get many negative reviews from people who bought this game but are restricted in so many ways.

Third - 5$ is a price you as regular user would pay. People can use stolen cards to buy accounts and offer them to people who are botting right now.
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Meekeh написал:
Make Path of exile Pay to Play


Would not work in the slightest, i've seen it first hand even when the box fee is $40+, biggest example was TESO, they were spamming the shit out of chat in the prelaunch (requiring a purchase) and the bots, holy fuck the bots, hundreds of the fuckers camping resource nodes, camping the bosses in dungeons(to the point there were than many on the one boss that you could not target it when it spawned and dies in seconds), then later one just port hacking to do the quests.

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