You know the thing about RNG?

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mazul написал:

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Agent956 написал:

Yeah cause between now and three years they won't release better boot bases.

Do a google image search for "Wraith Brand Boots". Level 41 boots, 9 defense, the most valuable item on US-West. The base doesn't matter so much when it has +322 armour rolled on to it that gets increased by quality anyway.

You will never pick up a pair of boots that has a max armour roll, 85 life, 40+ tri res and 30 movespeed. It won't happen, the only way to get it is through crafting.

And you can still design a system that relies far less on RNG while maintaining the massive average grind you need to get "max stats".

Sure you can, but the only thing along those lines that I've seen suggested is "once you use a thousand fuses it gives a guaranteed 6 link", which is terribly uninteresting and artificial.

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Barry написал:

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Do a google image search for "Wraith Brand Boots". Level 41 boots, 9 defense, the most valuable item on US-West. The base doesn't matter so much when it has +322 armour rolled on to it that gets increased by quality anyway.

You will never pick up a pair of boots that has a max armour roll, 85 life, 40+ tri res and 30 movespeed. It won't happen, the only way to get it is through crafting.

And you can still design a system that relies far less on RNG while maintaining the massive average grind you need to get "max stats".

Sure you can, but the only thing along those lines that I've seen suggested is "once you use a thousand fuses it gives a guaranteed 6 link", which is terribly uninteresting and artificial.

The current system is not interesting either and certainly is artificial. Just because some people are gambling addicted, it doesn't mean that the current system is good, lol.

For the fusings case: set 3000 as the maximum amount of fuses that is required to 6-link it, while keep 300 as the minimum amount; keep the average amount roughly about where it is. It is mathematically possible to design a such system and it would keep a certain aspect of the current RNG, while removing the two extremes: namely getting it easily and never getting it.

It's also entirely possible to design a system that has a healthy dose of RNG in crafting, without having it be completely and infuriatingly random. More expensive, perhaps even absurdly expensive, recipes to make sure your item at the very least does not get worse while you gamble on the chance of it getting better would be my choice. Let someone reroll just that movement speed affix without having to worry about completely ruining the item, and they'll probably happily blow more currency on it than they would normally, and feel better about it because they are no longer actively working against themselves any time they try to "craft" something. If someone has a 5L and they really want a 6L, charge them an arm and a leg for a random chance, even the same random chance they have now, of getting that 6L, while knowing they won't wind up with a 1L x 3 in the end. Then they can actually craft with the gear they're wearing instead of a backup set which might eventually become useful someday. Maybe. Probably not.

When you keep it to blues, transmuting, augmenting and alting an item isn't bad. Sockets are fine as long as you're keeping it to 3/4 or less. It's only when the range of possible options opens up into a vast sea of uselessness with 40+ rares and items with 5-6 sockets that the RNG turns from a fun game into the laughing, skull faced god of suffering I am coming to know so well.

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mazul написал:

The current system is not interesting either and certainly is artificial. Just because some people are gambling addicted, it doesn't mean that the current system is good, lol.

For the fusings case: set 3000 as the maximum amount of fuses that is required to 6-link it, while keep 300 as the minimum amount; keep the average amount roughly about where it is. It is mathematically possible to design a such system and it would keep a certain aspect of the current RNG, while removing the two extremes: namely getting it easily and never getting it.

Sorry about the delay in response, I fell asleep reading your post.

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Barry написал:

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mazul написал:

The current system is not interesting either and certainly is artificial. Just because some people are gambling addicted, it doesn't mean that the current system is good, lol.

For the fusings case: set 3000 as the maximum amount of fuses that is required to 6-link it, while keep 300 as the minimum amount; keep the average amount roughly about where it is. It is mathematically possible to design a such system and it would keep a certain aspect of the current RNG, while removing the two extremes: namely getting it easily and never getting it.

Sorry about the delay in response, I fell asleep reading your post.

It is ok, I know "attention deficit disorder" is a rather common disorder. Nothing to be ashamed of.

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mazul написал:

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Barry написал:

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mazul написал:

The current system is not interesting either and certainly is artificial. Just because some people are gambling addicted, it doesn't mean that the current system is good, lol.

For the fusings case: set 3000 as the maximum amount of fuses that is required to 6-link it, while keep 300 as the minimum amount; keep the average amount roughly about where it is. It is mathematically possible to design a such system and it would keep a certain aspect of the current RNG, while removing the two extremes: namely getting it easily and never getting it.

Sorry about the delay in response, I fell asleep reading your post.

It is ok, I know "attention deficit disorder" is a rather common disorder. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Let's make game design decisions based on the opinion of someone who makes jokes at the expense of people with learning disabilities.

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Barry написал:

I couldn't think of a way to adequately answer your sensible post so I'm going to start a flame war instead and hope the thread gets locked mwhahahaha

Hilarious quote editing, good job. But he's the antagonist in this situation by likening me to someone with a gambling addiction.

But it's cool if you guys want to sit there fusing an item saying "only 2950 more to go". Sounds really fun.

"5000 fusings down and no 6L!" is so much more fun!

Extreme RNG make it possible for poor players to get good stuff, even if it's unlikely. People already complain about rich people (= those with free time) being too much favored by the system, restricting RNG would only make things worse. Indeed, "only 2950 to go" would the most boring thing on earth.