I LIKE PASSIVE SKILL RESETS!

You know, you could just... Not mess up.

Although I do believe there should be no respects in the game. I will warrant that certain conditions should deem full respects.

1. If the dev's ever make changes to any skill gem/passives.

2. Possibly on the official release all points can be refunded.

I also like the idea of regret orbs, this basically means you have to work for your respects and thus giving you a new goal once you reach end game if you need to. All this adds into making the game last longer.

I just read the retard poster above me post. Some history for this moron D2 never had respec until very recently and guess what when they added the respec yes it killed what was left of the D2 crowd.

Please try and have a freaking clue when you speak that guttural trash D2 original did not have respec and was much more hardcore than the pussified actiblizz version of the game you play now.

Those of us that reminisces about it remember the actual blizz north version of the game before actiblizz dumbed it down substantially for morons like you.

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CommodoX написал:

And not to forget - even Diablo 2 has FULL RESPEC. 1 per difficulty and 1 full respec token if you kill all 4 bosses (without Duriel) with a 25% chance.

Didn't killed Diablo 2, OH MY GOD.

diablo 2 didnt get respec for a LONG time, it only came on march 23 of 2010(patch 1.13) when the game itself was released in june 29 of 2000

you see that? 10 years without respec, they planned their builds, they didn't need respecs, its as simple as that.

you don't need respecs either, you just want them because they are convenient, easier, and GGG doesnt like "easy"

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kofrkay написал:

Although I do believe there should be no respects in the game. I will warrant that certain conditions should deem full respects.

1. If the dev's ever make changes to any skill gem/passives.

2. Possibly on the official release all points can be refunded.

There were numerous skill point refunds in Closed Beta - I'm guessing if they ever make major changes to the skill tree there's going to be more. :)

There is no way to easily do a full respec because building a godly character that's viable throughout the game and can get to lvl 90+ should be an accomplishment. When you get to that level, low level characters should look at you in awe and think to themselves "Holy crap, that guy is a BADASS!" There is nothing special or gratifying about getting to that point if all it takes is an hour or two of trying every possible skill combination a la D3. I personally think orbs of regret should be removed from the game. The respec points from quest rewards should be more than enough to fix minor mistakes along the way.

Anyone that has a serious aversion to rerolling can build a character that won't need to be rerolled if they use some common sense. Get defense. LOTS of it. Get as tanky as you can. If you aren't dying, you are pretty viable. Once you feel like you have more than enough survivability, slowly and deliberately use those respec points and orbs to spec in to a more offensive build.

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CommodoX написал:

And not to forget - even Diablo 2 has FULL RESPEC. 1 per difficulty and 1 full respec token if you kill all 4 bosses (without Duriel) with a 25% chance.

Didn't killed Diablo 2, OH MY GOD.

diablo 2 didnt get respec for a LONG time, it only came on march 23 of 2010(patch 1.13) when the game itself was released in june 29 of 2000

you see that? 10 years without respec, they planned their builds, they didn't need respecs, its as simple as that.

you don't need respecs either, you just want them because they are convenient, easier, and GGG doesnt like "easy"

yeah it worked, but it also meant I had to have 3 accounts full of stupid characters that eventually just got turned into mules

Lots of fun.

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adddemon написал:

if you want to play characters that cant respec, nothings stopping you, i don't see why you should argue that everyone who doesn't cant. sounds like elitism to me.

this is my POV too. I don't even care about respecs, but I hate when people claim that the idea of adding it wrecks something for them.

If its there 'they' always have the option of ignoring it. If its not there, no one has any option of using it or not.

Maybe free points and orbs are enough, only time will tell.

It's because it's a fundamental difference in gameplay style.

As it stands right now, you can respec fully, it just costs you. By the time you play all the way through all three difficulties, you'll have 18 Respec points and probably a good number of Orbs of Regret that you've just found along the way, plus the ability to trade for more. If you really need more than that, then you must not have paid any attention at all while you were leveling.

It's easy to say "if you don't want to respec, don't do it" but that ignores the fact that humans possess the ability to reason. Nobody--and I mean nobody--is going to refuse to respec based on some sense of personal honor. It's a ridiculous proposition. If the option was there, even the most hardcore players would use it all the time. It'd make a lot of builds easier in Hardcore League, too, especially Chaos Inoculation builds where just getting to the point where you can safely take that keystone is a serious challenge.

And, by the way, that challenge is a good thing. If you could freely respec without it costing you anything meaningful, then you could make a really tanky build until you're a high enough level and have good enough gear to support Chaos Inoculation, then boom! Presto magic respec. And that sounds boring to me. Don't pretend that anyone would play as though that respec wasn't there, either. It's one of those arguments that's fun to post on message boards but is ultimately meaningless.

As for trying out new builds: easy respeccing can utterly destroy a game in this genre's long-term replayability. Look at the longevity that Diablo II enjoyed. Many players played for years on end making new characters--the fun of building that new character is the entire long-term appeal of this genre. If you could respec a character from the ground up with just a couple of clicks and a minor cost, that's gone, and then the game has to find some other way to work in some long-term appeal (which clearly worked well with Diablo III, right?).

So, what I'm saying is this: my assumption is that people calling for easy respeccing are not the kinds of people who are looking to play a game in this genre long-term.

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AgentNoun написал:

It's easy to say "if you don't want to respec, don't do it" but that ignores the fact that humans possess the ability to reason. Nobody--and I mean nobody--is going to refuse to respec based on some sense of personal honor. It's a ridiculous proposition. If the option was there, even the most hardcore players would use it all the time. It'd make a lot of builds easier in Hardcore League, too, especially Chaos Inoculation builds where just getting to the point where you can safely take that keystone is a serious challenge.

So, what I'm saying is this: my assumption is that people calling for easy respeccing are not the kinds of people who are looking to play a game in this genre long-term.

it is easy to say, and thats why I'm saying it. All the people screaming about challenge, claim they want challenge, but are so quick to jump on the easy train when it's available. LoL.

All it takes is a bit of willpower. Put the fork down!

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CommodoX написал:

And not to forget - even Diablo 2 has FULL RESPEC. 1 per difficulty and 1 full respec token if you kill all 4 bosses (without Duriel) with a 25% chance.

Didn't killed Diablo 2, OH MY GOD.

diablo 2 didnt get respec for a LONG time, it only came on march 23 of 2010(patch 1.13) when the game itself was released in june 29 of 2000

you see that? 10 years without respec, they planned their builds, they didn't need respecs, its as simple as that.

you don't need respecs either, you just want them because they are convenient, easier, and GGG doesnt like "easy"

yeah it worked, but it also meant I had to have 3 accounts full of stupid characters that eventually just got turned into mules

Lots of fun.

each of those characters was fun, the "journey" to reach high levels was different with each builds, giving different experiences

if you had respec, you could just use the best leveling build then when you reach late game, change to that build that would be very hard on the early levels but very good late, whats the point, thats lame imho.