Dear Rory

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Aim_Deep написал:

Yes you are wealth gating and breaking builds.

two of my builds. I'm not one to prioritize offense because I play with 160 ping and prolly a bad player anyways so I run defensive aura mainly so it's not a luxury like offensive aura.

One "jumpin_jack_slash" needs a lvl 6 enlighten to run same auras as before
grace and two purities.
Betahttps://poe.mikelat.com/beta/#EoHX/=0ZEtsc
Livehttps://poe.mikelat.com/#EoHX/g-z3usc

Another "she_blitz" now needs two lvl 4s again all defensive auras. Two purities, vitality, and clarity.
Beta https://poe.mikelat.com/beta/#yJv8iy/Ri8a9CY/6UlQQsh
Live https://poe.mikelat.com/#SRHDhy/SeEZ9CY/7QrMRsh

I guess second is not "broken" per se but cost went from 2ex (2 x lvl 20 RM)to 140EX ( 2 x lvl 4 enlighten) just to run.

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NeroNoah написал:

Too many auras can be overpowered. Too much defense or too much offense are balance nightmare. It makes hard to give a challenge to every build without overtuning the content for the rest, so I guess they are trying to control the power creep with these changes.

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justinmm1988 написал:

Im not impressed with fortify personally, ive watched a lot of streamers use it...and I sure don't see a difference in incoming dmg, maybe it's different when you're the one behind the keyboard idk...just going off what I see from streams.

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NeroNoah написал:

@Ephetat: I think the point with the changes is more about getting extra mana with enlighten, rather than putting the same auras that before. At least not without heavy investment (Not just wealth per se, you can argue all you want about how actually effective is as it is the changes). There are jewels out there that give new options for reservation, and if Rory words are right, new options to replace auras will exist in the future.

My bet is that Enlighten will be nerfed until no one feels like having it in every build.

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TheAnuhart написал:

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goetzjam написал:

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Lordsidro написал:

People will always use the best option regardless. If it's RM then that if it's enlighten then that. 1 of those is available to everyone one is not. That being said I like the changes. But either enlightens too rare/wealth gated or the change isn't quite right.

Issue is trying to balance around early game. reducing aura cost and freeing up sockets but creating another wealth bubble for maps :/

Also it's a strict nerf to builds running 2x 60%s or in betas case 2x50%. in mid late game.

Or you know they could move some of the reduced mana that is missing from the gap of removing RM and changing enlighten to you know the quality of auras?

That keeps early game in check will offering a sink for GCPS for builds that really want to squeeze out that extra herald or aura.

I've actually made a post about it here:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1266122

That suggestion has to be the worst ever, honestly.

I've already pointed out Chris' views on aura quality in that he doesn't want it to benefit solo players. Now, he might have changed his views, maybe in the grand scheme of things, with many changes that have happened and more that are planned, maybe this is a possibility.

However, unless one of those changes is to allow GCPs to be used on corrupted gems, then no, aura reserve reduction via aura gem quality would be a suicide move.

How many people with lvl 21 0 quality auras in permanent leagues do you think would simply close the PoE client and move on, never to support GGG again?

GGG doesn't balance around permanent leagues, no. But they do have to balance the books, that's one sure way to shoot themselves in the knackers.

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ephetat написал:

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NeroNoah написал:

@Ephetat: I think the point with the changes is more about getting extra mana with enlighten, rather than putting the same auras that before. At least not without heavy investment (Not just wealth per se, you can argue all you want about how actually effective is as it is the changes). There are jewels out there that give new options for reservation, and if Rory words are right, new options to replace auras will exist in the future.

My bet is that Enlighten will be nerfed until no one feels like having it in every build.

Yes, I agree that's how it should be -- it's just that what Rory said in the original dev manifesto post implied the exact opposite, which is why people went into "level 4 Enlighten" kneejerk mode in the first place. Obviously he's changed his line in this thread, and it all seems a little flimsy when the official line zig-zags this way.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

I find it a little perplexing when people complain about "moving the goalposts" during a debate. If the new goalposts are the right ones, why complain about them moving in the past? If they aren't, why complain about them moving in the future?

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lolozori написал:

That is my main fear about the aura nerf, it s about defensive builds. 2h have to play without shield it is already hard for them defensively. Same for your builds I guess.

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goetzjam написал:

Rofl its not the worst you just want to shut down my idea.

You pointed out that what 2-3 years ago he didn't want quality auras to benefit players, at that same time they were fine with reduced mana....you see how things change? Hell they added heralds that are basically personalized auras that have quality bonus that benefits the player, so seeing that and comparing quality auras in the same light is just wrong.

They wouldn't need to allow for people to GCP there level 21 auras, people would have to redo their current ones and sell their old ones for less...not that big of a deal, definitely not as big of a deal as the purposed change that changes socket colors.

If people are going to close the game over level 21 0 quality auras with the change they shouldn't be playing the game to start with, if they have the wealth to play around it they can just run 1 less aura until they can purchase or level\gcp up more.

You are saying GGG shouldn't balance around perm leagues but only argue to why the idea is "terrible' because of perm leagues. Do you even read your post before hitting submit?

As it is slated now enlighten will change the gear you need for running the same auras because of the color change from red to blue. My change would just require re leveling auras and using some GCPs, instead of rebuying MIRRORED gear and getting level 4 enlightens.....

My idea is possible for people in temp leagues, especially if players want to pool resources into 1 (aka a support character) and doesn't make aura builds the .00001% but maybe .001% or whatever amount.

But its ok, its my idea and you have to shut it down with 0 arguments that are actually on the same logic with your "but standard people will quit" logic.