Think this is the only ARPG that melee is shit in.

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HeavyFerrum написал:

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I_NO написал:

Grimdawn: Yeah there good
D3 shamefully: Yeah there good too
D2: Flawless
Torchlight I and II: Broken af

I'm just saying.

What the hell are you talking about???
Never played D3 but D2 melee have exacly the same problem like path of exile , the problem with it is that if you need to hit a monster in close range , you need to take the risk of recive high amounts of damage.

Every single ARPG Have that problem and being ranged is always the safest was to play.

D2 real melee skills ,zeal? Sucks. bash? suck, all other melee skills in the game? THEY ALL SUCK. Exept maybe whirlwind

melee skills in grimdown, Torchlight 1 and 2 are what melee skills in path of exile are, they are melee, but "AoE" attack skills

Close range melee combat will never be viable for endgame content.
Thats why most of the "melee" skills have AoE to them , so you will have some range.

And goddammit everybody, stop complaining about melee already.

Did you ever do D2? Like wtf dude they did NOT SUCK high end game melee was viable as fuck. It was a wonderful game for melee did you ever do end game? Baal runs ubers? Probably not if you think melee was shit.

Every single skill in d2 was viable, it's part of what made the game great. If you don't think so, you either never actually played d2 or were awful at it. Part of what made every skill viable was the content being extremely easy - at the end of the day, if PoE was as easy as d2 was there would be endless oceans of tears on the forum and reddit.

Even the animations suck with the new melee channel skill, which will also be the worse out of the 3.

GGG is just either inept or ignorant when it comes to melee balance, period.

wonder why they decide to create channeled skill for 1h melee, they are the strongest melee class already with crit+shields.

Vigilant strike could have been reworked too, like keep finger on mouse button and player is building damage charges, release and it multiply the dps.

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I_NO написал:

Grimdawn: Yeah there good
D3 shamefully: Yeah there good too
D2: Flawless
Torchlight I and II: Broken af

I'm just saying.

I wouldnt say they are shat on rather GGG made range builds too powerful by allowing them to use same mitigation which is designed strictly for melee (like fortify or ToH)

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eragon1111 написал:

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I_NO написал:

Grimdawn: Yeah there good
D3 shamefully: Yeah there good too
D2: Flawless
Torchlight I and II: Broken af

I'm just saying.

I wouldnt say they are shat on rather GGG made range builds too powerful by allowing them to use same mitigation which is designed strictly for melee (like fortify or ToH)

This is some bullshit right there. Mitigation available to ranged builds is the problem? Are you serious? It's the damage output from range and the resulting clearspeed that makes anything ranged better than melee could ever be. Like, if it was only because of mitigation, any ranged build be a champion, but that isn't the case.

The only close proximity skill that is good in this game is Bladevortex, and that's only because it's OP like crazy.

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IceyDevil написал:

Every single skill in d2 was viable, it's part of what made the game great. If you don't think so, you either never actually played d2 or were awful at it. Part of what made every skill viable was the content being extremely easy - at the end of the day, if PoE was as easy as d2 was there would be endless oceans of tears on the forum and reddit.

You obviously never made a druid summoner. :P

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HeavyFerrum написал:

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I_NO написал:

Grimdawn: Yeah there good
D3 shamefully: Yeah there good too
D2: Flawless
Torchlight I and II: Broken af

I'm just saying.

What the hell are you talking about???
Never played D3 but D2 melee have exacly the same problem like path of exile , the problem with it is that if you need to hit a monster in close range , you need to take the risk of recive high amounts of damage.

Every single ARPG Have that problem and being ranged is always the safest was to play.

D2 real melee skills ,zeal? Sucks. bash? suck, all other melee skills in the game? THEY ALL SUCK. Exept maybe whirlwind

melee skills in grimdown, Torchlight 1 and 2 are what melee skills in path of exile are, they are melee, but "AoE" attack skills

Close range melee combat will never be viable for endgame content.
Thats why most of the "melee" skills have AoE to them , so you will have some range.

And goddammit everybody, stop complaining about melee already.

Frenzy, Zeal, Smite were the best skills for killing uber, so I'm not sure why you think melee sucks.

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allbusiness написал:

Frenzy, Zeal, Smite were the best skills for killing uber, so I'm not sure why you think melee sucks.

Yes, good against single targets, but slow clear speeds.* But then, that's generally melee's strength, is it not?

Problem is, bosses in PoE have adds. They *must*, because otherwise you would run out of flask charges, and GGG designs the game more and more around the utter necessity of utility flasks (not just life/mana flasks) for survival. Therefore, the single- / multi-target division becomes useless for balancing melee vs ranged, because multi-target-viable skills are almost always necessary, even against bosses.

In this way, GGG may have designed itself into a corner. De-emphasizing flask-based gameplay might help, but I honestly think it's too late for that. It would also piss off all the players who have become spoiled by the power flasks give, and don't want to give it up.



*Most of these arguments are dumb when talking about D2, because immunities made single-element builds incapable of soloing a lot of the content, but for the sake of comparison to PoE let's ignore that fact, shall we? Or just compare PoE to cow levels in D2, where immunities were less of a problem.

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I_NO написал:

Grimdawn: Yeah there good
D3 shamefully: Yeah there good too
D2: Flawless
Torchlight I and II: Broken af

I'm just saying.

I'm actually more upset that the list of decent ARPGs is so small than I am that melee sucks in this game.

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