Rarity !! It's actually good for the game !! Change my mind !!!

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Karr285#4892 написал:

I would agree this is something for ssf or hard-core, but for trade league this is a toxic thing to exist.

It's litterally a tool for the rich become richer.

This at one point wasn't as bad (d2 days) but now people have made playing their life.

As these people sink 100's of hours get the best gear and flood the market it makes trading directly harder for the more casual players.

Time already rewards them for playing more this is just a reward multiplier for streamers/bots.

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Gkek#1581 написал:

The only positive argument for rarity is "I enjoy using it therefore I want it to stay"

All the positive externalities of rarity in the economy happen over time without rarity. A longer cycle where things average players can drop are valuable is a GOOD thing that extends seasons.

Treating rarity like a resistance is a bad idea because the entire game will feel bad in spite of a player doing the right things unless the prioritize rarity.

It has a disproportional reward for getting to certain points early which stack with the already significant rewards for being ahead of the curve.

It's a terrible and outdated idea, and nobody has been able to show me anything to counter what I said here yet.

I get "you just don't understand", "it's not as bad as you say" and "I personally use it and enjoy it, therefore it is not a problem"

Haven't heard anyone lay out why it's a GOOD thing for the game in general yet.

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BlueSkyWhiteSands#7725 написал:

Rarity is past of any good arpg.

You need to find a balance between dps and rarity. It comes at a cost. The greedy players are punished as their build will suck. Therefore, it adds depth and customization.

Why would you ever want to reduce that? It's only people complaining who fail to incorporate rarity into their builds.

You don't need 500 rarity, get about 100 and you find decent loot (from my experience).

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 написал:

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Gkek#1581 написал:

The only positive argument for rarity is "I enjoy using it therefore I want it to stay"

All the positive externalities of rarity in the economy happen over time without rarity. A longer cycle where things average players can drop are valuable is a GOOD thing that extends seasons.

Treating rarity like a resistance is a bad idea because the entire game will feel bad in spite of a player doing the right things unless the prioritize rarity.

It has a disproportional reward for getting to certain points early which stack with the already significant rewards for being ahead of the curve.

It's a terrible and outdated idea, and nobody has been able to show me anything to counter what I said here yet.

I get "you just don't understand", "it's not as bad as you say" and "I personally use it and enjoy it, therefore it is not a problem"

Haven't heard anyone lay out why it's a GOOD thing for the game in general yet.

well this makes 0 sense ... so I did used rarity to test it ... and it turns out Rarrity is not the problem ... Quantity is the actuall problem ...
In a Empirian party .. you get 500 or 600% quant for currency , then you get another 100% Quant + from Tablets then invest 50-60 exalts in a map... and you get a full screen of loot ... with 420% rarrity ...

I had 600 rarrity and tested everything i could for a full week 14h/day ...
i had streaks(Plural) of 4-5 maps in a row where i would walk out of the map with 2 exalts
I had Streaks (Plural) of maps with 2-3 breaches where I would walk out of the map with 4-5 exalts

but if you think zizaran on SSF knows better ... then you do you bro .. I personally don`t care about rarrity ... but I can`t let Streamers lie to the community ! I`m sick of lies in POE from all sorts from streamers over the years ... that`s the sole reason I did this post !!!


And to give you a reason why it's good ... it`s because you get better drops and better drops means more fun in the game, get that addrenaline rush more often when you see Tier 5 items and 3-4 exalts form 1 monster ... it`s cool!!!

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DarkLordOdeo#6686 написал:

Quote a yutuber, ok then.
1.It'd be balanced around what ever mechanism would be used for drops, this isnt rarities fault in the slightest.
2.It's not "required" I made just enough to progress my ED witch without a single point of rarity in t15s. Poe has always rewarded juicing over just flat IIR/IIQ stacking and PoE2 is no different. Until you guys provide data on IIR being so grossly over balanced you will continue to sound like cultists.
3.Thats called FOMO, somewhat started BECAUSE the streamers started this [Removed by Support]. Most players didnt care, no one did until they made it out people cant not run with rarity or else their "missing out".
4.PoE is an arpg, this take that its some powerfantasy and grabbing at most 100% somehow hampers that is also [Removed by Support], you dont have to build it, its not going to make your build weaker cause someone else wants to run rarity. ITs their choice, not yours.
5.Build diversity? The game is missing half the skills, half the classes and ascendcies, and if you peered out of what ever popular streamer says or stop refreshing the ladder you'd find a shit load of builds that are being made that break the mold of the top ladder racers. This take is stupid because it cant be tied directly to rarity, MoM/EB archmage stormweavers dont run rarity at all, they need the ammy for gaze and rings for dream frags, so ho are they using rarity?
6.I dont know who frank is, and this kinda cements this whole debate, you guys run on vibes and feelings.

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Gkek#1581 написал:

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 написал:

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Gkek#1581 написал:

The only positive argument for rarity is "I enjoy using it therefore I want it to stay"

All the positive externalities of rarity in the economy happen over time without rarity. A longer cycle where things average players can drop are valuable is a GOOD thing that extends seasons.

Treating rarity like a resistance is a bad idea because the entire game will feel bad in spite of a player doing the right things unless the prioritize rarity.

It has a disproportional reward for getting to certain points early which stack with the already significant rewards for being ahead of the curve.

It's a terrible and outdated idea, and nobody has been able to show me anything to counter what I said here yet.

I get "you just don't understand", "it's not as bad as you say" and "I personally use it and enjoy it, therefore it is not a problem"

Haven't heard anyone lay out why it's a GOOD thing for the game in general yet.

well this makes 0 sense ... so I did used rarity to test it ... and it turns out Rarrity is not the problem ... Quantity is the actuall problem ...
In a Empirian party .. you get 500 or 600% quant for currency , then you get another 100% Quant + from Tablets then invest 50-60 exalts in a map... and you get a full screen of loot ... with 420% rarrity ...

I had 600 rarrity and tested everything i could for a full week 14h/day ...
i had streaks(Plural) of 4-5 maps in a row where i would walk out of the map with 2 exalts
I had Streaks (Plural) of maps with 2-3 breaches where I would walk out of the map with 4-5 exalts

but if you think zizaran on SSF knows better ... then you do you bro .. I personally don`t care about rarrity ... but I can`t let Streamers lie to the community ! I`m sick of lies in POE from all sorts from streamers over the years ... that`s the sole reason I did this post !!!


And to give you a reason why it's good ... it`s because you get better drops and better drops means more fun in the game, get that addrenaline rush more often when you see Tier 5 items and 3-4 exalts form 1 monster ... it`s cool!!!

Ok cool, your whole argument is "I use it and I like it" as I predicted.
That doesn't mean it's not a problem, and you also neglect to consider that if they didn't have to balance around people having rarity gear then they could buff ALL drops and the game would always feel better.

Thanks for stopping by to prove my point though.

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Gkek#1581 написал:

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 написал:

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Gkek#1581 написал:

The only positive argument for rarity is "I enjoy using it therefore I want it to stay"

All the positive externalities of rarity in the economy happen over time without rarity. A longer cycle where things average players can drop are valuable is a GOOD thing that extends seasons.

Treating rarity like a resistance is a bad idea because the entire game will feel bad in spite of a player doing the right things unless the prioritize rarity.

It has a disproportional reward for getting to certain points early which stack with the already significant rewards for being ahead of the curve.

It's a terrible and outdated idea, and nobody has been able to show me anything to counter what I said here yet.

I get "you just don't understand", "it's not as bad as you say" and "I personally use it and enjoy it, therefore it is not a problem"

Haven't heard anyone lay out why it's a GOOD thing for the game in general yet.

well this makes 0 sense ... so I did used rarity to test it ... and it turns out Rarrity is not the problem ... Quantity is the actuall problem ...
In a Empirian party .. you get 500 or 600% quant for currency , then you get another 100% Quant + from Tablets then invest 50-60 exalts in a map... and you get a full screen of loot ... with 420% rarrity ...

I had 600 rarrity and tested everything i could for a full week 14h/day ...
i had streaks(Plural) of 4-5 maps in a row where i would walk out of the map with 2 exalts
I had Streaks (Plural) of maps with 2-3 breaches where I would walk out of the map with 4-5 exalts

but if you think zizaran on SSF knows better ... then you do you bro .. I personally don`t care about rarrity ... but I can`t let Streamers lie to the community ! I`m sick of lies in POE from all sorts from streamers over the years ... that`s the sole reason I did this post !!!


And to give you a reason why it's good ... it`s because you get better drops and better drops means more fun in the game, get that addrenaline rush more often when you see Tier 5 items and 3-4 exalts form 1 monster ... it`s cool!!!

Ok cool, your whole argument is "I use it and I like it" as I predicted.
That doesn't mean it's not a problem, and you also neglect to consider that if they didn't have to balance around people having rarity gear then they could buff ALL drops and the game would always feel better.

Thanks for stopping by to prove my point though.

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CyrusBlackXXX#1921 написал:

I could have not put it better myself !! They do sound like Cultits ! Right?
It`s still better than the first week... they sounded like they all had Stokholm Sindrome ... every bug in the game was considdered Skill issue ... your Computer Freezes ? Skill issue !! Towns eat up to much resources ? Skill issue !!! The rare is in the wall and you can`t kill it Skill issue !! The game is Great !!! :))) so now they went from Stokholm Sindrome to Cults !!
Hats Off to you Sir !!!

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THE WHOLE ARGUMENT DUDE IS YOU ARE BEINNG LIED BY STREAMERS !! THAT'S THE WHOLE ARGUMENT, BUT IF YOU THINK THE MOON IS MADE OF CHESE GO FOR IT!!! WITH THIS MENTALITY , YOU DESERVE IT !!!