I LIKE PASSIVE SKILL RESETS!

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GhostlightX написал:
You know I read this, and it's a good read and it would make me want to play this game....then I realised that almost everything above could equally have been typed to argue FOR full respecs.

Could you elaborate on this perhaps? By allowing full respecs you take away the importance of the journey from A to B. And all that for the luxury of speedy build switching. You don't have to level a character all the way to 75 to feel whether that char will eventually work or not. usually around level 50 you get a very decent sense of "this could work" (or not work). And that is not that much work to do anew (with a stash full of mid lvl rares and gems).

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Except that the effect no respec is having is to make people scared of making a serious mistake. Net result....they are copying "pro" builds religiously. We are, ironically, getting LESS build variation as a result. This is what happens when you cannot experiment with your build, or rather you can but the price of a failed experiment is extremely costly. People just copy one that is proven to work and safe.

People don't yet realize that a build is just the empty shell. Without proper flask affixes, skills, support gems, gear properties, Bandit rewards, specific uniques, the chosen build will simply not work. Lots of people already asked me "Ferum, hook me up with a sweet 2 handed Mara build!", but that request cannot be fulfilled that easily.

I don't care that people try to copy "pro" builds, let them try. They will soon realize that the build, albeit important, is not key to a successful character. They will then either give up ("But I used the pro build! Why didnt it work!?!?!?!"), or start to think out of the box and figure out how PoE actually does work the way it does.
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Kavlor написал:
It's not wasted,it's a learning experience.It gets boring if you do the perfect build every time.Getting a perfect build after building a really bad one feels a lot better than getting it first time,you feel the power of the build because you know those enemies were tough and now your owning them.


So true!!

No pain no gain.

People these days are so friggin lazy...

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GhostlightX написал:
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Agilaz написал:
Question, why do I see you arguing in favor of easy mode in all the threads of this type?


Why do you see a respec option as easy mode? I see it as quite the reverse.

I think you will find what I always argue for is player CHOICE, whatever the issue. Choice keeps more players. More players gets more content and good stuff added to the game. That's my bottom line, nothing more.

Trivializing the road from A to B is actually easy mode. People would soon argue about the boring grind to level 75 and the lack of stuff to do when getting there.

If you show people two briefcases. One with 100 dollar and one with 1000 dollar, and ask them to choose... which one do you think people will pick? That is not giving people a choice...

PoE offers tons of choices and it also actually leaves room for mistakes. Choices do matter! Free respecs takes away the consequences from making choices, and thus trivializing it all together.
Everybody loves skill resets. It's a great convenience. Still doesn't make them good for the game.
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CD23 написал:
Everybody loves skill resets.


Wut??
I'd very much like a way to slowly but surely unlearn passives.

Not something random like orbs or in limited quantity like respec points, as you will always hesitate to use them ("what if in 2 months we realize that crit branch was a better choice? I don't wanna spend my precious 8 points!").

But a way to forget a passive over time would be nice. For instance if you could select a node, at the end of your tree, obviously disable it, and after, say, 2 or 3 levels of farming, it would be totally removed, and you would get the point back.

The idea would be not to be able to hoard this way of respec like with the repec points or orbs, yet have the certainty you will always be able to adjust your build, whatever mistake you makes.

tl;dr slow respec over time would be more friendly than respec points. I think.
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sodium777 написал:
Now guys before you tar and feather me for being a D3 lover, pls read what i have to say :)

Now.
Why does D3 system suck?
"Sodium777 its the reset system!"

Thats something i want to point out is NOT completely the fault for D3's underwhelming customisation system

"WTF?"
Yes IMO passive skill resets were scapegoated by people.

So the main problem with D3 is that everybody in the same class was them same. This was caused by many problems, passive skill resets deserving overblown outcry. There were a number of other issues that caused this:

-Everybody gets every skill without having to compromise by having one set of skill over another, (The result of overeacting to the synergies problem in D2) therefore everyone picked the best skills and had the same build
-The fact that you had 3 passive skill points.

D3 didnt have so much as a problem as being too easy to customise, but the DEPTH of customisation. In a game where your given 3 passive skill points, it doesent matter if you had passive resets or not.
Even if D3 had no skill reseting, it would still suck.



Another reason i like passive skill reseting is they enable what ARPGs are all about. ARPGs are about freedom and choice. POE's massive skill web provides this. Scarce resets DO NOT. Either you are someone like Kripparian who has planned your build or you are a normal person and you slavishly follow Kripparian. Your scared you'll screw up if you make your own and need to restart. Your locked into the choices of other people. You have no freedom.

With free skill resets you can explore. YOU CAN HAVE FUN. IN A GAME.

So guys, please dont hate free passive skill resets. They don't make make the game a game idiots can play. They might mean your choices mean less but its better than having no choice at all.


Allocating skill points while you are leveling a character is an experience, and makes you feel connected to your character. Reseting the whole tree, will make you feel like he is not your character anymore.
I need more purple titles
Ideally there would be no respec options whatsoever. No orbs, and no respec rewards.

There are too many people giving in to this "respec please"-pressure and making up creative alternative solutions. To those of you who actually don't want respec options: stop doing that, you are hurting our case.
I used to be a supporter of respecs, but the orb of change and few free respec points are enough. You need to plan your characters out using the easy skill tree preview on this website, and then take care with making sure you distribute your points in the right order.

One idea however that I won't drop supporting is an 'Undo last skill point' option. There should be a permanent option in the game to simply undo and change only the very last skill you picked in case you misclick or make a mistake.
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You have passive skill reset. But it is costly, and it is perfect the way it is. Otherwise it would be pointless making new characters

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