Spectacularly poor analogy. Soccer has one aim -- score more goals than the other side, win the game. If you fartarse about, you get kicked off the team.
If your comparison held, many of the players would be kicked out of this game. There is more than one goal here, and no one has the right to say which is more important because it's subjective. Whether it's be to be a great racer, to just have fun, to be number 1, whatever. You don't get to decide which of these is more 'valid'.
Have you ever played soccer as a kid, without any clubs involved. Just on a random field with whatever ball you could find?
I have and I can tell you one thing, scoring goals was rarely the aim. Trying to do stupid stuff with a ball that looked cool was, whether or not it ended in the goal after we finished was very much secondary.
True enough, but are we kids now? I thought the person I was criticising was talking about 'competitive' soccer, not little kids with orange wedges at half time and snot comin' out of their noses as they navel-gaze at stupid o'clock of a freezing Saturday morning in full back position...
not that I'd know anything about that.
I think the issue is that you're regarding the game the kids are playing as lesser and not the 'real' game. That you see them as two different games rather than the same game.
I can assure you that there's plenty of full-grown intelligent and responsible adults playing soccer with friends where the aim isn't in scoring goals but rather in making impressive moves worth talking about later, an impressive miss is much better than a straight-forward goal.
And yet they're still playing the same game. Because a game is described by rules, not by the mindset of it's players. Regardless of whether you play to win or play for cool moves you're playing the same game if you're obeying the same rules.
Same goes for Path of Exile, we're all playing by the same rules and thus playing the same game but the mindset of those involved can vary wildly, without any of those mindsets being snotty-nosed kids with orange wedges. And it's entirely possible that not all of those mindsets lead to a satisfying experience.
Now another question is whether those mindsets should give a satisfying experience, there's certainly mindsets with which one can play soccer that most definitely don't give a satisfying experience.
I'd say Boondock's analogy is entirely valid, players do have different mindsets that do lead to very different experiences. The only question that remains is whether or not Boondock's particular mindset is one that should be leading to a satisfying experience. I can't answer that one.
My vision for a better PoE: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/863780
No reward from playing the game? Hm, i wonder why i am having fun then. People that make statements like you do should look for a different game, this really isnt yours it seems, sorry.
People like you are setting their account on private for reason.
You have 3-4 characters lvl 50 max.
You never got to maps.
You are the person that plays soccer but doesnt want to score the goal, cause you dont care. You just run with the ball on green pasture not caring to score the goal. And you know what?
Thats perfectly fine, it is what you enjoy. But pls, have some decency and respect for people that are playing soccer to score the goal and win.
Now we go to personal attacks and assuming things that you can never know. For all i know you could have lvld your oh so proud lvl 80+ chars with bots, hows that for making assumptions?
You dont even deserve to see my profile and thats why its set to private, so people like you cant get their kicks out of spying on others while they brag about their mighty lvl 80+ chars which you only show to boost your ego and ridicule others.
Besides, i always said one thing about rng in this game and that is rng being a gamble, which can be good but if its too much of a gamble it starts to not be fun to do. That doesnt mean im not having fun killing monsters but just having less fun to crafting i.e. gambling stuff.
No reward from playing the game? Hm, i wonder why i am having fun then. People that make statements like you do should look for a different game, this really isnt yours it seems, sorry.
People like you are setting their account on private for reason.
You have 3-4 characters lvl 50 max.
You never got to maps.
You are the person that plays soccer but doesnt want to score the goal, cause you dont care. You just run with the ball on green pasture not caring to score the goal. And you know what?
Thats perfectly fine, it is what you enjoy. But pls, have some decency and respect for people that are playing soccer to score the goal and win.
Now we go to personal attacks and assuming things that you can never know. For all i know you could have lvld your oh so proud lvl 80+ chars with bots, hows that for making assumptions?
You dont even deserve to see my profile and thats why its set to private, so people like you cant get their kicks out of spying on others while they brag about their mighty lvl 80+ chars which you only show to boost your ego and ridicule others.
Besides, i always said one thing about rng in this game and that is rng being a gamble, which can be good but if its too much of a gamble it starts to not be fun to do. That doesnt mean im not having fun killing monsters but just having less fun to crafting i.e. gambling stuff.
Hehe, i understand you are hurt, wasnt my intention, even so i apologise :)
But when someone says something that i dont agree with, i check from what experience said words came. So i have checked your profile if i remember correctly before you set it to private, and you in fact have only low lvl characters, same as many others people talking a lot about crafting, map drops, linking. So every time i would expose their experience ( only low lvl chars), they would set their to private, just like you did. And it wasnt me only, others would point out complete lack of experience of some people that think they know everything, and at that moment they dont know that everyone can see their profile and highest char lvl 50.
So most suporters now have their accounts set to private. :)
Edit: Oh yea, there is one great way to prove i was wrong, you just need to show your account :)
Последняя редакция: BoondockSaint#2040. Время: 23 мая 2014 г., 09:10:13
No reward from playing the game? Hm, i wonder why i am having fun then. People that make statements like you do should look for a different game, this really isnt yours it seems, sorry.
People like you are setting their account on private for reason.
You have 3-4 characters lvl 50 max.
You never got to maps.
You are the person that plays soccer but doesnt want to score the goal, cause you dont care. You just run with the ball on green pasture not caring to score the goal. And you know what?
Thats perfectly fine, it is what you enjoy. But pls, have some decency and respect for people that are playing soccer to score the goal and win.
Now we go to personal attacks and assuming things that you can never know. For all i know you could have lvld your oh so proud lvl 80+ chars with bots, hows that for making assumptions?
You dont even deserve to see my profile and thats why its set to private, so people like you cant get their kicks out of spying on others while they brag about their mighty lvl 80+ chars which you only show to boost your ego and ridicule others.
Besides, i always said one thing about rng in this game and that is rng being a gamble, which can be good but if its too much of a gamble it starts to not be fun to do. That doesnt mean im not having fun killing monsters but just having less fun to crafting i.e. gambling stuff.
You may not like it - but the fact remains: what stage you are in this game highly matters to your perception of the game.
For the last year I've watched the biggest proponent to this game struggle to reach level 60 (with ANY of his supposed 7 characters) - and still continue to be the most extreme of outspoken vocals on the game like he was some kind of master and understood the dynamics of post story mode game play. He knows jack shit about the issues that I personally experienced from 65 onwards and yet here he was calling me and everyone down like we were stupid idiots about what we were experiencing... and he wasn't.
If you haven't even made it to maps on even 1 character do you think we give a fuck or even value what you have to say about post story mode content?
1>65 is HIGHLY fun - and time vs gear rewards are HIGHLY balanced. 65>100 is not fun at all - and highly unrewarding time vs rewards experience. So pardon me if I chuckle at your honeymoon stage experiences in 1>65.
Последняя редакция: Isbox1#3280. Время: 23 мая 2014 г., 10:30:38
Hehe, i understand you are hurt, wasnt my intention, even so i apologise :)
But when someone says something that i dont agree with, i check from what experience said words came. So i have checked your profile if i remember correctly before you set it to private, and you in fact have only low lvl characters, same as many others people talking a lot about crafting, map drops, linking. So every time i would expose their experience ( only low lvl chars), they would set their to private, just like you did. And it wasnt me only, others would point out complete lack of experience of some people that think they know everything, and at that moment they dont know that everyone can see their profile and highest char lvl 50.
So most suporters now have their accounts set to private. :)
Edit: Oh yea, there is one great way to prove i was wrong, you just need to show your account :)
While I can understand where the assumption of experience lack would come from based on your taste for profile trolling, in most cases, this is not going to be correct.
Our profiles only show what characters we CURRENTLY have. It does not account for any that have be deleted. Which many do, regardless of having a plethora of character slots available to them. I do.
If I do not have a use for a character any longer, it is deleted. Hardcore characters that die are deleted. Characters moved around from old leagues are deleted.
Only work-in-progress characters and a single farming character are kept. And not even end game farming. I keep a single 70-ish char available for chaos recipe and alt farming. Other than that, once I get bored, the character is stripped and deleted. Other than at least one farmer.
The point is, your assumptions of what you KNOW about people, are often going to be wrong without actually knowing the specific person and their habits. The same assumptions can be made for players who have nothing more than a handful of standard/hardcore dumper league characters.
After all, a majority of play is done in the temp leagues that do not have access to the same items, or the stock of currency for heavier crafting that a majority of the player base will not have in shorter leagues. So anyone speaking about anything outside of where a majority of play is done can not have the proper experience to speak on such, right?
All I am saying is assumptions get one nowhere without actually knowing those of which you assume.
...narf
Последняя редакция: SqueakyToyOfTerror#0940. Время: 23 мая 2014 г., 10:34:46
Hehe, i understand you are hurt, wasnt my intention, even so i apologise :)
But when someone says something that i dont agree with, i check from what experience said words came. So i have checked your profile if i remember correctly before you set it to private, and you in fact have only low lvl characters, same as many others people talking a lot about crafting, map drops, linking. So every time i would expose their experience ( only low lvl chars), they would set their to private, just like you did. And it wasnt me only, others would point out complete lack of experience of some people that think they know everything, and at that moment they dont know that everyone can see their profile and highest char lvl 50.
So most suporters now have their accounts set to private. :)
Edit: Oh yea, there is one great way to prove i was wrong, you just need to show your account :)
While I can understand where the assumption of experience lack would come from based on your taste for profile trolling, in most cases, this is not going to be correct.
Our profiles only show what characters we CURRENTLY have. It does not account for any that have be deleted. Which many do, regardless of having a plethora of character slots available to them. I do.
If I do not have a use for a character any longer, it is deleted. Hardcore characters that die are deleted. Characters moved around from old leagues are deleted.
Only work-in-progress characters and a single farming character are kept. And not even end game farming. I keep a single 70-ish char available for chaos recipe and alt farming. Other than that, once I get bored, the character is stripped and deleted. Other than at least one farmer.
The point is, your assumptions of what you KNOW about people, are often going to be wrong without actually knowing the specific person and their habits. The same assumptions can be made for players who have nothing more than a handful of standard/hardcore dumper league characters.
After all, a majority of play is done in the temp leagues that do not have access to the same items, or the stock of currency for heavier crafting that a majority of the player base will not have in shorter leagues. So anyone speaking about anything outside of where a majority of play is done can not have the proper experience to speak on such, right?
All I am saying is assumptions get one nowhere without actually knowing those of which you assume.
Haha, what a poor attempt man. All those know it all people that never got to end game are deleting their characters and setting profiles to private. Haha, yea right.
Well you are wrong anyway, and only people that are making assumptions are people like you, dirk, charan since thats all you have, assumptions and not the experience :)
Haha, what a poor attempt man. All those know it all people that never got to end game are deleting their characters and setting profiles to private. Haha, yea right.
Well you are wrong anyway, and only people that are making assumptions are people like you, dirk, charan since thats all you have, assumptions and not the experience :)
In defense of what he's saying - I kinda of agree.
1) I don't even use my main account to post.
2) My main account doesn't have the 20-25 level 75+ characters that I've done in the last year, it has 5 characters now in standard. Because I deleted all of them down to that point funneled in all gear to make them better individually with the most successful specs I tried.
That being said though - even seeing 1 level 85+ means something to your experiences vs some guy with a level 60... or even 7 level 60s.
You can't speak at all about post story mode content if you are permanently in POE honeymoon stages.
For example if you can't understand WHY someone would even want to 4L an item, let alone 6L - you may be a POE noobie in POE honeymoon stage... if you can't comprehend for the life of you what the big deal is about never finding a shavs or koams - you likely still in the POE honeymoon stage.... however if you have invested 6K+ fuses and farmed 300-500 HOURS of time or more including every chance orb you found trying to get a shavs with no success? By all means: you may proceed to discuss RNG vs Hard Work and post story mode game implications of having some type of new systems implemented to assist in reducing the gambling/trading burden this game presents.
Последняя редакция: Isbox1#3280. Время: 23 мая 2014 г., 10:56:41
