Why I've given up hope of this game becoming great (but not quite on GGG)

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Splift написал:

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allbusiness написал:

Did you even read? No one even uses mana the way GGG intended for them to use it.

So eb, blood magic gem, mana leech, auras, gear and mana nodes are not the way GGG intended? Well fuck my logic.

GGG intended everyone to cap out their mana pool to stack 4+ auras and disregard resource usage and use their life as an unlimited resource and just use leech/life regeneration?

Life as a resource is like 100x better than mana, it's been that way for awhile now. Only time mana even comes close to competing with life is when you're running EB, and that takes significant investment in terms of gear.


Your logic sucks because everyone that's actually good at this game or has knowledge of this game disagrees with your premise that mana is ok. It's not ok, it hasn't been that way literally for years now.


Blood Magic Gem along with Eldritch Battery were all meant to be ALTERNATIVES. Not fucking YOU HAVE TO PICK ME OR YOUR BUILD BLOWS.

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Splift написал:

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allbusiness написал:

Did you even read? No one even uses mana the way GGG intended for them to use it.

So eb, blood magic gem, mana leech, auras, gear and mana nodes are not the way GGG intended? Well fuck my logic.

name one game with more diverse resource management than poe.

Any grand strategy game.

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Essentially, everyone is forced to either EB or Blood Magic if they want to be end game viable. The very few builds that don't use EB/Blood Magic Gem are fucking weak as fuck

I gave you examples of builds that I use that are very powerful without your so called essentials. I'll admit the discharger has especially good gear but sustaining a typical physical manaleech character or arcer is not difficult.

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allbusiness написал:

Any grand strategy game.

Really? mine resources>spend resources. So fuckin grand and not even a proper comparison. If thats the best you can do then HA. May as well say CoD, pick up ammo, shoot ammo out of gun into opponents head.

Poe has several ways to use mana and life for your auras/skills and ehp, sure more ways would be nice but if you cant even state a solution then its not really fair to scream and cry for one.

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kasub написал:

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Essentially, everyone is forced to either EB or Blood Magic if they want to be end game viable. The very few builds that don't use EB/Blood Magic Gem are fucking weak as fuck

I gave you examples of builds that I use that are very powerful without your so called essentials. I'll admit the discharger has especially good gear but sustaining a typical physical manaleech character or arcer is not difficult.

Anything that runs CI and doesn't have mana issues has really good gear. You'd be lying if you say otherwise, that's a primary issue with any CI build. Even those that run Dream Frags/Rainbow Strides have mana issues from time to time, especially with 6L skills, so you must have some secret build that no one has found out yet, or you're fucking bold face lying.

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Splift написал:

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allbusiness написал:

Any grand strategy game.

Really? mine resources>spend resources. So fuckin grand and not even a proper comparison. If thats the best you can do then HA. May as well say CoD, pick up ammo shoot ammout out of gun into opponents head.

Poe has several ways to use mana and life for your auras/skills and ehp, sure more ways would be nice but if you cant even state a solution then its not really fair to scream and cry for one.

Have you actually played a Grand Strategy game before? Mine resources > Spend Resources? You realize that in most Grand Strategy games, there are multiple resources that you have to manage, ranging from your economy, military assets, and morale, blah blah blah, including other things like prestige, reputation, etc. that are all gained in different ways. You have to make strategic choices of what you want to focus on, on balance it against other things within the game. Sure, I'm pumping out tons of military units on the board, but my economy has taken a shitter, and my people are upset at me.

Path of Exile's resource management boils down to setup gems or setup passive skill tree and auto pilot hold RMB until all mobs on screen are dead.

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Kranyum написал:

it's ironic to see how pretty much all the old supporters of the game such as Scrotie and Charan are expressing their dissapointment in the game. Because that's what the game currently is: a big dissapointment.

I would say its a success that they have kept such people interested for so long before they inevitably got bored.

Right vaal gems are stupid and pointless, lets just continue this meta where everyone uses one dps skill, one movement skill and one curse.

If Chris is rich from this its because they flat out deserved it. No other game has had less strings attached and less hooks in their "revenue stream".

Why would he listen to people talking with your tone? You come off as an arrogant, entitled brat and bending their knee to such people would surely bring about the games true demise.

Rofl.


We have said that mana sucked for ages. Like literally, mana as a mechanic in PoE blows, the only reason why anyone uses it is for auras. That's why for awhile it was either EB or Blood Magic, but since Blood Magic got neutered by aura changes, now everyone runs EB or Lowlife Shavs. Saying that there's build diversity is just too funny.


That's just one example of many GGG's terrible balancing that has been around for ages.

While I don't disagree about the mana situation, saying everyone uses EB or shavs is how you put it....just too funny.

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allbusiness написал:

Anything that runs CI and doesn't have mana issues has really good gear. You'd be lying if you say otherwise, that's a primary issue with any CI build. Even those that run Dream Frags/Rainbow Strides have mana issues from time to time, especially with 6L skills, so you must have some secret build that no one has found out yet, or you're fucking bold face lying.

6l are considered good gear typically so to say you need good gear to run 6l skills is fuckin redundant.

What bugs me about this post is that you're assuming everyone expects twitch-reflexes to be the foundation of what makes an ARPG great. Even though this is, historically, the furthest thing from the truth.

There are plenty of games out there whose sole purpose is to test your twitch reflexes, and not a single one of them is an ARPG.

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Splift написал:

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allbusiness написал:

Anything that runs CI and doesn't have mana issues has really good gear. You'd be lying if you say otherwise, that's a primary issue with any CI build. Even those that run Dream Frags/Rainbow Strides have mana issues from time to time, especially with 6L skills, so you must have some secret build that no one has found out yet, or you're fucking bold face lying.

6l are considered good gear typically so to say you need good gear to run 6l skills is fuckin redundant.

Even some 4L skills are not able to function properly without a proper setup. Try running a self-cast Fpulse with GMP/Faster Casting/Echo off of pure mana with just clarity. Good fucking luck.


If we're talking about solo play, unless you run Arc (and you need an Empower Gem + Georiffis to do this) or Totems (and really, Totems blow without a 5L), you're pretty much not running end game maps with a 4L. 5L is pretty much standard for 74+ maps for solo play.

I told you the CI discharger has really good gear.

The life crit bow character is nothing special. Bow skills are not especially expensive and the damage far surpasses the leech cap. It's actually the best version. Using a BM gem makes you lose a support gem and you won't necessarily get an extra aura(unless you take aura nodes). It's actually one of the more popular builds at the moment.

The arcer has low costs due to it being a 4 link. Echo further decreases the costs so that was a buff to it. Detonate dead build is a similiar situation. It's a cheap skill that does not require much mana.

I think you simply have not played much recently. There is a lot of builds that don't use your examples without having a high budget.

I already mentioned that manaleech nerf needs to be reversed since it nerfed something that was not overly strong to start with and that some skills are overly expensive. That does not negate the fact that the mana system has been working in a fine manner overall.

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kasub написал:

I told you the CI discharger has really good gear.

The life crit bow character is nothing special. Bow skills are not especially expensive and the damage far surpasses the leech cap. It's actually the best version. Using a BM gem makes you lose a support gem and you wdon't necessarily get an extra aura(unless you take aura nodes). It's actually one of the more popular builds at the moment.

The arcer has low costs due to it being a 4 link. Echo further decreases the costs so that was a buff to it. Detonate dead build is a similiar situation. It's a cheap skill that does not require much mana.

I think you simply have not played much recently. There is a lot of builds that don't use your examples without having a high budget.

I already mentioned that manaleech nerf needs to be reversed since it nerfed something that was not overly strong to start with and that some skills are overly expensive. That does not negate the fact that the mana system has been working in a fine manner overall.

Arc to be able to clear end game requires a unique with empower. Scratched off the list of 'budget' builds.


I ran SA on a Shadow for Nemesis with a 5L, and trust me, I know it's not easy to maintain the mana cost depending on what you run, and how you set it up. Let's not even get into LA, because LA is basically not runnable without blood magic and you know it.


No, mana leech was a band aid to a bad system. The mana system was not fine at all. The reason why everyone ran Bloodmagic in CB was precisely because the mana system sucked and was basically not possible to sustain on without taking EB. Totem builds in particular were incredibly popular and still are because despite the high cost to cast the Totem, as long as you can cast two of them, it's not a big deal after that, as you don't have to sustain the mana cost to actually attack the mobs.