That feel when the Chaos Recipe becomes a waste of time

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Peterlerock написал:

All this talk about "efficiency" going on lately...

"Don't pick up anything below 6S and fusings! It's inefficent!"
"Don't do recipes! It's inefficient!"
"These maps are inefficient! Shape your atlas for shaped strands only!"
"Vaal spark clears 1.9% faster than meta build xyz!"
"Open the next map while going to stash! Saves 3 seconds! Those precious seconds!"

I find it weird to put this "waste of time" mindset into a game that it basically a waste of time itself.

Just play as you enjoy playing.
It's a game after all, and nobody outside cares what you "achieved" in here.

I personally enjoy the recipes, I think they are an interesting part of the game.
(Doing unid chaos btw, collect useless base item jewelry until I have half a stash tab, then go on picking up boss drops for a couple maps... those few minutes never felt wasted)

This isn't about vendor recipes in general. This is about chaos recipe being a noob trap in that it loses you a HUGE sum of wealth over the long run, which I have shown in a previous post.

There is no such thing as useless base item jewelry. If a Paua amulet rolls good, you vaal it in hopes for a nice implicit, which can then be worth exalts.

And gain...it does not matter how long you spend in a map or how much time you waste between maps. 15min, 10min, 30min?? doesn't matter. You cut chaos recipe out and your map time is significantly reduced. Period. You want to continue to ID every rare? Go for it. It's irrelevant to the discussion. Cut chaos recipe out and you get to run many many more maps for more of everything WITH THE SAME TIME INVESTMENT YOU WOULD HAVE SPENT ANYWAYS.

With all of that said, I'm sure it will be easy for you to answer one simple question. What is it exactly that you enjoy about the unid chaos recipe?

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_Tiem написал:

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alg0801 написал:

It is possible, but all this does is make the Chaos recipe even less worth it.

It's not possible, it's a fact. If you found 10 exa in a league by the first two weeks that's not indicative of your luck or RNG or determinant factor of how things will always go.

GGG adjusts drop rates all the time, it's a fact. So not only are you a slave to the poor drop rates to begin with, but further manipulation by GGG of those rates based on whatever the hell they feel like doing.

Just because they can do something does not mean they do it constantly. Take the tinfoil hat off. Either way it's irrelevant because running more maps results in more of everything, giving me more non-chaos and chaos currency to buy exalts with while you are reliant on your steady trickle of chaos orbs.

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If you thought RNG was bullshit before. Anyway, if you're not taking a second to pick up rares to vendor, what else are you doing? I never understood people passing chests and breakables and pretty much 80% of the content because it was "inefficient." A better description is it's wasteful. I've found exas in breakables before, lots of good things actually, same with chests.

I never thought RNG was bullshit. I don't rely on RNG for wealth. You spend 10min running 1 map. I spend 2 minutes on the same map. I can run 5 maps in the time it takes you to run 1. Literally, you get on and say "I have 10min to run a quick map!". Well I get on and say the same thing and run 5 maps instead. When we look at things over a longer period of time, I have ran 5000 maps in the same amount of time it took you to run 1000. Who cares what you find in breakables. You were just as likely to get that exalt drop on the next monster kill. Where did I ever say not to hit any breakables to begin with?

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You don't have to full clear a map and check every nook and cranny, but if you're passing content, you're just wasting your resources. The only time it becomes inefficient to do such things is when you have other things to do that take up your time that are worth more. Like trading, or running events for other players, etc. But if you're just clearing maps, picking shit up, which literally takes a split second because you're there is worth.

First: Time is a resource.

Second point: You mean like running more maps? Picking "shit" up is a huge waste of time. vendoring/stashing that "shit" is probably an even larger waste of time.

chaos recipe works even for experienced players. it is all about the time optimization workflow

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SilentStorm625 написал:

chaos recipe works even for experienced players. it is all about the time optimization workflow

Yet, the wealthiest players in the game are not doing chaos recipe.

u guys are looking at the game same as at a job... 20c/hour, 5maps/10min, never pick up useless shit just for fun... i usually do the regal recipe, pick armorer scraps, 5min+ per map and smoke a joint every 5 maps. i still can afford everything i want in game.

When you realize this whole hobby is a waste of time...

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alg0801 написал:

This isn't about vendor recipes in general. This is about chaos recipe being a noob trap in that it loses you a HUGE sum of wealth over the long run, which I have shown in a previous post.

...a sum of wealth I choose to not care about.
Same as the rest of the list I posted.
I simply play a game, I'm not interested in 100% working/optimizing/competing.

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There is no such thing as useless base item jewelry. If a Paua amulet rolls good, you vaal it in hopes for a nice implicit, which can then be worth exalts.

It's a bet.
99.999% of jewelry I identified I vendored immediatly afterwards.
So I rather put them in the unid recipe.

It's the same bet other players take by not picking up low base rare boots, even though they could have rolled high triple resists, movespeed and life.

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With all of that said, I'm sure it will be easy for you to answer one simple question. What is it exactly that you enjoy about the unid chaos recipe?

It's one of many little tasks offered to players in this game.
Level your masters, do side missions, complete your atlas...
I do not particularly like it more than the other tasks, but still... I like it somehow.

It adds another dimension to the game, instead of just grinding for good drops and levels, you also get to do some steady chaos farming.

I don't do this recipe anymore since years, it's indeed just a waste of time.

If I don't do the chaos recipe I don't make anything, drops don't favor me. My clear speed is nowhere near good for people here, probably takes me 3 mins to clear a map, but if I go map to map picking up only currency and uniques, I'll just have a ton of alts and kaom signs.

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Peterlerock написал:

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alg0801 написал:

With all of that said, I'm sure it will be easy for you to answer one simple question. What is it exactly that you enjoy about the unid chaos recipe?

It's one of many little tasks offered to players in this game.
Level your masters, do side missions, complete your atlas...
I do not particularly like it more than the other tasks, but still... I like it somehow.

It adds another dimension to the game, instead of just grinding for good drops and levels, you also get to do some steady chaos farming.

I rest my fucking case. You don't even know why you like it...because you don't. There is nothing to like about doing it. It's not fun. It's tedious.

...Or, you know precisely why you do it, but you don't want to admit that you've been wrong for your entire POE existence. I work in Business Analysis/Improvement and see this shit all the time. I will answer your question for you.

You do it to make currency. Period. There is no other purpose.

Now, as I see in my professional career, even after being made self-aware of this flaw, you will continue to do it; because you, just like the majority of others, cannot stomach change or admit to flaws in your own actions.