That feel when the Chaos Recipe becomes a waste of time

Drops do favor you. Drops favor us all. Do the stacks of "common" forms of currency not have any value? People in POE tend to avoid spending the orbs that they find use in. Even if they are not needed.

You keep those fusings because you have linked items before, even if you won't be linking anything soon.

Chroms
Alts
Alchs
Chance orbs because "I COULD GET A SKYFORTH!"
Jewellers
Splinters...

All kept for the same reasons, and you likely either don't use them, or you waste them just because you have them.

All of these drops are common enough to not be gated by RNG. Go check your stash right now with current exchange rates and convert everything to Chaos. Even Exalts are the same way. Law of large numbers my friend. Run 100 maps and you'll consistently get ~1 exalt. 100 maps is a very small number in the grand scheme of things.

Now realize that you would have MUCH MORE OF ALL OF THESE had you stopped vendoring/stashing between every map and just ran 40% more maps that you did in the same amount of time.

Honest question, is it really a waste of time to do this?

Is it better to just ID the rings, jewels, belts, etc and do the 1c recipe?

I've been doing the recipe for a while now thinking it was a good way to make steady income :(

Most of the things I ID are just terrible. What is the best long-term strategy?

Better to start IDing everything straight ahead and do 1c, or don't bother with it all?

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alg0801 написал:

I work in Business Analysis and see this shit all the time.

But unlike in your job, there's no real consequence.
How I spend my time has no effect on the (non-existing) company's success. I'm not responsible for anything here, I can do whatever I want in this game, no matter how "inefficient".

If I made 20% more chaos/hour by changing my routine, I'd spend 20% more chaos on useless stuff I enjoy wasting my chaos orbs on. But I wouldn't be 20% more entertained or happy.

Not everybody wants to apply real life business logic to a time-burning game of nothingness.

Not yet (in since CB PoE). When CHAOS recipe feels like a waste of time then PoE will be a waste of time. Not there yet.

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_Saranghaeyo_ написал:

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Darksagex написал:

Honest question, is it really a waste of time to do this?

Is it better to just ID the rings, jewels, belts, etc and do the 1c recipe?

I've been doing the recipe for a while now thinking it was a good way to make steady income :(

Most of the things I ID are just terrible. What is the best long-term strategy?

Better to start IDing everything straight ahead and do 1c, or don't bother with it all?

I literally don't bother. Like I said I keep 1x set in a tab so I can trigger Valuable Combination Prophecy.

I think people just underestimate how much actual time it takes to keep all that shit around and pick out a set to turn in. It adds up a lot. You look decently wealthy/experienced so that was kind weird coming from you :P

I started in Prophecy and still have a lot to learn ;_;

Right now I am trying to work on maximizing efficiency in playing so I don't waste a lot of time. My idea of crafting is still chaos spamming lol.



My best result from Prophecy :P

Right now I still have the urge to pick up as much as possible which slows me down a lot. My goal next league is to be faster than the previous leagues. Essence was a big step up for me compared to Prophecy since I was able to learn from my mistakes and go even faster. Same curve for Breach I was done within a month with 2 characters and have been hopping between standard and breach just practicing.

If the chaos recipe makes no sense then I'll stop doing it to save time ^.^ I have a few tabs dedicated only to the recipe lol.

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Peterlerock написал:

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alg0801 написал:

I work in Business Analysis and see this shit all the time.

But unlike in your job, there's no real consequence.
How I spend my time has no effect on the (non-existing) company's success. I'm not responsible for anything here, I can do whatever I want in this game, no matter how "inefficient".

If I made 20% more chaos/hour by changing my routine, I'd spend 20% more chaos on useless stuff I enjoy wasting my chaos orbs on. But I wouldn't be 20% more entertained or happy.

Not everybody wants to apply real life business logic to a time-burning game of nothingness.

You're right. It's a game and you are 100% free to do whatever you want with your time without consequence, but don't lie to yourself about why you do the Chaos recipe, and don't lie to the noobs who may read this and latch on to your feel-good posts. You do it to make currency.

The chaos recipe is not a direct source of entertainment, just as blowing 20% MORE chaos orbs wouldn't be either. You probably play POE for some very fundamental reasons, just like the rest of us; Character building, slaughtering loads of bloody monsters, or maybe even the Social aspect of it. ie you have goals just like the rest of us.

However, this thread is about the Chaos recipe being a noob trap. It's unethical to continue to push noobs towards this action if you yourself know that it is a very inefficient way of generating currency.

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Darksagex написал:

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Beautiful chest!

I did Chaos recipe for a very short period of time on Breach just to obtain a Cospri's Malice before leaving dried lakes. I had enough naturally to get the 5L chest. Pretty much as soon as I had these, I stopped chaos recipe all together. I still find myself fighting this urge to pick certain things up or backtrack for that alteration/chance orb, and I still give in a lot of times.

The necessity in my case for the Chaos recipe was that I started on Breach with a build that is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE and a build that is known to not be a wise starter.

I did it anyways and planned out how I would get everything essential that I needed. This was all about simply having goals and priorities and working within my means to check those priorities off one at a time. As the build becomes more complete, it becomes easier to reach the more difficult goals.

This would not have worked for Day-1 League of racing on the ladder. If this was my goal, I would have rolled with a 4L viable build like Flameblast/Essence Drain.

I can not agree with you alg0801. You are trying to tell people, that making chaos recipe is waste of time or that its not profitable. But its not true. Chaos recipe is not noob trap at all. Its not profitable/efficiency for you and few other players who found out its not working for them, and they have another way how to make profit. Thats all. In my case thanks to chaos recipes I was able to make nice trades which brought me a lot of currency and many times saved me when I was short on currency.

Besides if you are so focused on efficiency, than hanging here on forum is waste of time, so all this searching for maximize profit in the way you are presenting works only on paper but in reality its different story. It looks like you opened this thread not to look for opinions or how to manage chaos recipe in best way, but to convince others that your way is right and you simply not see players who find out chaos recipe helpful in making currency.

Besides "wealthy" players are doing chaos recipes too.

All you speed people just don't get it. Yeah, if you're min/maxing stuff and aim to be as efficient as possible - you are probably correct.

But do you really think everyone wants to play as fast and efficiently as possible? I sure don't. I have no aspirations to become a bot, and I don't even enjoy playing quickly. Heck, most of the time I don't even use quicksilver flasks because I feel no need for them. I'm plenty quick without them, most of the time. I do use them on Cyclone builds though, that Less Movespeed is just brutal. ;)

So yeah, I enjoy both the chaos and the regal recipe. I shove all jewellery into a dedicated tab (TWO even, one for chaos and one for regal! Imagine the waste) after each map, unidentified. I pick up and ID good bases of other gear, and all quality rares that can be used in the recipe. Whenever I get a set of quality rares I push them all to 20% and do the 3C/3R recipe. Easy money. This is way faster (for me anyway) than ID'ing them and determining if they're usable or not. Which they almost never are. I don't think I've ever found any jewellery worth anything. In fact I made it a point to ID all jwewllery back in Darkshrines, just to see what I was missing out on. Some usable stuff, sure, but nothing valuable. And I had almost no chaoses to map with and no regals at all. That sucked.

Anyway, just by doing this I don't have to trade anything - I accumulate all the chaoses and regals I need for my own use. Because fuck trading.

Guess I'm still a noob. Feels good. :)

Some people enjoy doing the recipe or picking up and id-ing "worthless" rares.