How we can make divination cards farmable and don't hurm economy.

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Docbp87 написал:

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YourDeathHere написал:

I covered all problems that might appear if GGG will make what i've suggested and you just speaking about how hard game should be, if you want to play hard game - go play boshi, this is ONLINE game for MANY DIFFERENT people, u just being selfish, malachai will not love you for sure!

Actually the appeal of PoE for many of us was the difficulty compared to other aRPGs. Lose that, and you lose the more serious hardcore player base, and you are left with Diablo 3. PoE SHOULD be hard. It should be complex. It should require massive time and skill invested. That is what sets it apart from many others. What you want, whether you admit it or not, is to get rich quick, have everything handed to you, with minimal struggle and time invested. That's called Diablo 3. It is also the reason that Diablo 3 is fun to play for about 5 minutes, then becomes boring, because there is nothing to strive for. There are no "reach" goals.

Sad but getting closer and closer to that point in this game as well.

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Docbp87 написал:

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YourDeathHere написал:

I covered all problems that might appear if GGG will make what i've suggested and you just speaking about how hard game should be, if you want to play hard game - go play boshi, this is ONLINE game for MANY DIFFERENT people, u just being selfish, malachai will not love you for sure!

Actually the appeal of PoE for many of us was the difficulty compared to other aRPGs. Lose that, and you lose the more serious hardcore player base, and you are left with Diablo 3. PoE SHOULD be hard. It should be complex. It should require massive time and skill invested. That is what sets it apart from many others. What you want, whether you admit it or not, is to get rich quick, have everything handed to you, with minimal struggle and time invested. That's called Diablo 3. It is also the reason that Diablo 3 is fun to play for about 5 minutes, then becomes boring, because there is nothing to strive for. There are no "reach" goals.

Why would you think i meant "Delete all hc "joys" from game"? You once again prooved ur bad attention to conversation...

I speaking about making good for both that 2 types of players, if they make divination cards farmable would you lose ur challenging content from that? Ridicoulus...

And "Hard" is relative concept. For each player it's different depending on his exp in that game and his knoweldge, also his skill. I not speaking about making some bosses easier, if i did, point it to me.

Everyone wants to be rich to allow builds they want what point of hidding it? But Fact is still a fact - divination cards is in unfarmable state atm. Also "How to became rich quick" sounds like a book for 100$ where is 1 list with words "In no way", and again i can compare current state of divination cards farming with endgame bosses (there u can became rich quick, so what do u can tell against it? Mb delete drops from bosses so everyone will be fucking poor?) u just ridiculous...

Bro you can totally farm div cards now, you just don't put any effort into it. We've seen you say you've done 30 runs and found nothing and call it a day. This game is about grinding, stick with it until you complete your goal or find enough currency to complete your goal, if that is what you want.

Div cards shouldn't be the best way to get something, but they currently are an alternative way to get something.

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goetzjam написал:

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Docbp87 написал:

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YourDeathHere написал:

I covered all problems that might appear if GGG will make what i've suggested and you just speaking about how hard game should be, if you want to play hard game - go play boshi, this is ONLINE game for MANY DIFFERENT people, u just being selfish, malachai will not love you for sure!

Actually the appeal of PoE for many of us was the difficulty compared to other aRPGs. Lose that, and you lose the more serious hardcore player base, and you are left with Diablo 3. PoE SHOULD be hard. It should be complex. It should require massive time and skill invested. That is what sets it apart from many others. What you want, whether you admit it or not, is to get rich quick, have everything handed to you, with minimal struggle and time invested. That's called Diablo 3. It is also the reason that Diablo 3 is fun to play for about 5 minutes, then becomes boring, because there is nothing to strive for. There are no "reach" goals.

Sad but getting closer and closer to that point in this game as well.

Go play boshi and get ur nerves killed, go play dark souls 1,2,3 (hard till get used to mechanic of game). Online games is for large audience and, again, why do u judging at least COMPARABLE way of farming currency if there is a better way? Go create thread about deleting all source of worthly currency gain (uber, shaper, 1000 exalteds mf build.) if u so much against being allowed to farm in grind game.

That masachist players...

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goetzjam написал:

Bro you can totally farm div cards now, you just don't put any effort into it. We've seen you say you've done 30 runs and found nothing and call it a day. This game is about grinding, stick with it until you complete your goal or find enough currency to complete your goal, if that is what you want.

Div cards shouldn't be the best way to get something, but they currently are an alternative way to get something.

You just repeating ur arguments cos u haven't more to continue converation, i will not repeate my answers.

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YourDeathHere написал:

Go play boshi and get ur nerves killed, go play dark souls 1,2,3 (hard till get used to mechanic of game). Online games is for large audience and, again, why do u judging at least COMPARABLE way of farming currency if there is a better way? Go create thread about deleting all source of worthly currency gain (uber, shaper, 1000 exalteds mf build.) if u so much against being allowed to farm in grind game.

That masachist players...

You werent here back in closed beta, back when they were still figuring out what they wanted the game to be. It worked for years without trying to cater to a super large audience, so to say that all online games need to cater to a massive online audience is just ignorant.


GGG might get more money now then they did back then, but they have higher cost as well. They seemed to actually do more and have priorities that were in line with the playerbase that supported them.

You care not for any other playstyle then that you are seeking, this is by far one of the most selfish threads created here in a while, rivaling only that of the lab hater @turtle that loves to collect anyone that shares his opinion.


In terms of being allowed to farm, everyone has the same opportunity in temp leagues, everyone starts fresh, everyone has the ability to find their way to reach whatever item goal they have, yet you choose to play in a league that has the highest disparity between players then any other league and then complain because you cant farm T1 item cards super easily.

Give me a fucking break.

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Docbp87 написал:

Actually the appeal of PoE for many of us was the difficulty compared to other aRPGs. Lose that, and you lose the more serious hardcore player base, and you are left with Diablo 3. PoE SHOULD be hard. It should be complex. It should require massive time and skill invested. That is what sets it apart from many others. What you want, whether you admit it or not, is to get rich quick, have everything handed to you, with minimal struggle and time invested. That's called Diablo 3. It is also the reason that Diablo 3 is fun to play for about 5 minutes, then becomes boring, because there is nothing to strive for. There are no "reach" goals.

Sad but getting closer and closer to that point in this game as well.

Go play boshi and get ur nerves killed, go play dark souls 1,2,3 (hard till get used to mechanic of game). Online games is for large audience and, again, why do u judging at least COMPARABLE way of farming currency if there is a better way? Go create thread about deleting all source of worthly currency gain (uber, shaper, 1000 exalteds mf build.) if u so much against being allowed to farm in grind game.

That masachist players...

It sounds like you want PoE to be something it isn't, and hopefully never will be (a casual game for casual aRPG players).

? He is suggesting that you actually need to be farming. 30 runs is not farming. That's a casual stroll through some content. Running 1,000 maps. That is farming. Div cards were never meant to be a reliable profitable way to farm items quickly. Trading will always be the best way to get a specific item, and I think GGG wants it to be that way.

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goetzjam написал:

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YourDeathHere написал:

Go play boshi and get ur nerves killed, go play dark souls 1,2,3 (hard till get used to mechanic of game). Online games is for large audience and, again, why do u judging at least COMPARABLE way of farming currency if there is a better way? Go create thread about deleting all source of worthly currency gain (uber, shaper, 1000 exalteds mf build.) if u so much against being allowed to farm in grind game.

That masachist players...

You werent here back in closed beta, back when they were still figuring out what they wanted the game to be. It worked for years without trying to cater to a super large audience, so to say that all online games need to cater to a massive online audience is just ignorant.


GGG might get more money now then they did back then, but they have higher cost as well. They seemed to actually do more and have priorities that were in line with the playerbase that supported them.

You care not for any other playstyle then that you are seeking, this is by far one of the most selfish threads created here in a while, rivaling only that of the lab hater @turtle that loves to collect anyone that shares his opinion.


In terms of being allowed to farm, everyone has the same opportunity in temp leagues, everyone starts fresh, everyone has the ability to find their way to reach whatever item goal they have, yet you choose to play in a league that has the highest disparity between players then any other league and then complain because you cant farm T1 item cards super easily.

Give me a fucking break.

I maintain many same opinions about divination cards + i collected enough info to prove it for myself and for any of other players who tried to do the same thing that problem is real, what selfish in that?

You dont tried anything, just temp league player who argue every word without even know something (i've cathed you on ur, as u like to say, ingorance in this question many times), mb you that one who needs to give a break for another? Mb you should try this system first, before even typing anything? I, with all my heart, disrespect people who don't understand question and trying to argue.
This selfish + childish and conservative desire of save what you already used to play with (even this change nothing for you, you don't play farmer's league.) and blaim all GGG's move to making game better for ANY TYPE OF PLAYERS, not only for hardcore ones (even i not considering myself as softcore, i do like challenges, that's why i playing this game, but all must be in balance and wasting how many you've suggested? 1000 runs on trying to even collect 1 ex worth set, which is minimum 3k hours of time? No, ty, u ridiculous.).

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It worked for years without trying to cater to a super large audience

That's called beta, alpha and such. When game is coming out it's shaped in most of it's edges and it's CARE about people's desires, you saying ridiculous things again, i don't want to argue with you if u continue to talk bullshit, wake up boy!

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It sounds like you want PoE to be something it isn't, and hopefully never will be (a casual game for casual aRPG players).

LOL you again saying things that i don't said (mb u have illusions? Mb u need therapy?), i speaking ONLY about divination cards in this thread, all answers i give is touch ONLY divination card question.

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He is suggesting that you actually need to be farming. 30 runs is not farming. That's a casual stroll through some content. Running 1,000 maps. That is farming. Div cards were never meant to be a reliable profitable way to farm items quickly. Trading will always be the best way to get a specific item, and I think GGG wants it to be that way.

1000 runs - *Another comparison with endgame bosses farming in time-currency matter*

Read my first message in this thread again, i've done several experiments, not only 1 you speaking about.

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Div cards were never meant to be a reliable profitable way to farm items quickly

It was created and called in announcement post as good way to farm items. Is it? Prove me.

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YourDeathHere написал:

I maintain many same opinions about divination cards + i collected enough info to prove it for myself and for any of other players who tried to do the same thing that problem is real, what selfish in that?

You dont tried anything, just temp league player who argue every word without even know something (i've cathed you on ur, as u like to say, ingorance in this question many times), mb you that one who needs to give a break for another? Mb you should try this system first, before even typing anything? I, with all my heart, disrespect people who don't understand question and trying to argue.
This selfish + childish and conservative desire of save what you already used to play with (even this change nothing for you, you don't play farmer's league.) and blaim all GGG's move to making game better for ANY TYPE OF PLAYERS, not only for hardcore ones (even i not considering myself as softcore, i do like challenges, that's why i playing this game, but all must be in balance and wasting how many you've suggested? 1000 runs on trying to even collect 1 ex worth set, which is minimum 3k hours of time? No, ty, u ridiculous.).

The problem is only as real as you "think" it is. The fact of the matter is many people can farm for various divination cards and do so, but your largest complaint is that it isn't easy or guaranteed. It can't be easy or guaranteed, it must still have RNG like the rest of the game.


You know nothing of my experience. I'll have you know I played standard for at least the duration of one league and about 1\2 the duration of another league, playing both at the same time. I've seen what the standard economy looked like pre perandus and pre 2.0, it wasn't even good then so I doubt it got better "all the sudden"

I have found brittle emperors and other div cards, but I would have to be a fool to sit there and farm them as little as you did and claim the system is broken, given how rare these unique items are as drops, their div cards should be proportionally as rare, if not rarer given that the corrupted versions are more powerful in almost ever case.


You think the changes made this game better for "any" when it didn't, if it made it better for any, you wouldn't see me complaining would you? Its like you aren't even thinking before you spew shit out.


The drop rates of div cards are BALANCED FOR TEMP LEAGUES AND FRESH ECONOMIES, not for saturated markets like standard. Don't blame the game because you choose to play in a shit league, that has no recovery. You think it isn't worth your time to farm for a set because of the value of the item it takes in return, but by allowing you to farm for the set easier YOU DEVALUE THE ITEM FURTHER, WHICH WOULD JUST OFFSET THE TIME FACTOR OF IT BEING WORTH IT AGAIN.

Also 1000 runs is not 3k hours, this shows how ignorant of a time estimation you truly are capable of thinking. Lets say were are talking about brittle emperor card, i completed the 1200 kill challenge over the course of a single weekend last league, with maybe 300ish runs done on prior characters. So 900 runs in less then 3 days, 1 of which was only a few hours because it was a Friday, the other times were spent watching tv on the second monitor and casually strolling thru dried lake until I found the boss and killed him. I was playing BV, before the stack size changed, it is much faster on a sparker, so if you actually made a character to farm him you could do it quicker, if you actually focused on doing it, instead of watching tv like I did, you could do it quicker.

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It worked for years without trying to cater to a super large audience

That's called beta, alpha and such. When game is coming out it's shaped in most of it's edges and it's CARE about people's desires, you saying ridiculous things again, i don't want to argue with you if u continue to talk bullshit, wake up boy!

The game release 1.0 in October of 2013, so 3 years ago. Until that point it was supported by players that invested money into the game and it continued and continues to remain that way, given its a free to play game. Attracting more players comes with more cost, server cost, support cost, ect. So having more people playing isn't always better and it becomes problematic when we have players like yourself that basically give no care whatsoever to players like myself that actually enabled the game financially to be what it is today.

I don't know or care really if you bought mtx's but you have no listed supporter packs. You could be a free loading sack of shit for all I know (which would actually prove my point better)


I also don't appreciate the disrespect of "boy", you dont know my age or anything about me.

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It was created and called in announcement post as good way to farm items. Is it? Prove me.

I got that by farming for brittle emperors and buying up other ones when they were cheap. Given the nature of temp leagues using the combination tactic, like I stated before was in my best interest.